• Gazumi@lemmy.world
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    9 months ago

    This is a tragedy, but similar to the invasion of Ukraine with Isreal being Russia.

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      9 months ago

      Hamas’s missiles directed towards Israeli civilians and you choose to compare Israel to Russia. Your propoganda is showing…

      • Poteryashka@lemmy.ml
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        9 months ago

        Do you consider Hamas the aggressor in the overall context of the Israel- Palestinian conflict?

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            9 months ago

            Colonizers are always responsible for any violence that follows.

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              9 months ago

              So if Native Americans fired rockets on e.g. Corpus Christi, Texas, they would have no responsibility at all for this action?

              I am not denying the responsibility of “the colonizers”, I think other people can also have some responsibility.

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                9 months ago

                They’d be justified.

                The point is to not condemn the oppressed without regard for their oppression.

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                  9 months ago

                  They’re not being oppressed if they choose to live the why they do. At some point the drug addict needs to come to terms with the fact they are the ones causing their self harm. They could compromise and stop their killing/ bloodshed to build a peace but they don’t. Continuously attacking is one of the most dumbass moves they keep making. I’m out of sympathy and patience for these idiots. Keep crying but do nothing. Other parts of the Arab world have moved on and made peace with Israel. The Palestinians only have excuses and children to sacrifice at this point.

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                  9 months ago

                  Where in this thread did someone “condemn the oppressed without regard for their oppression”?

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            9 months ago

            Sometimes yes. I know very little about the Israelo-palestinian confilct (only what I read from news outlet) so I can’t say anything for sure here.

            But more generally, in history, there have been plenty of conflicts that were one side’s responsability: Ukraine’s invasion, WW2, colonie’s independance “wars”… IMO, when you defend yourself from an agression, you are not responsible for the conflict.

            In this case, I tend to agree with other commentors - Israel seems to have been increasingly oppressive and brutal at least in the past 2 decades, and you can only push people so far before they react.

            • idoubledo@lemmy.sdf.org
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              9 months ago

              Israel has left Gaza in 2005 and only received missiles and terrorist attacks in return. Although no side is mother Teresa in this conflict, one is is definitely less mother Teresa than the other.

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                9 months ago

                Israel continues to expand their occupation of Palestinian land, though. Do you think Palestinians in Gaza have no stake in the well-being of other Palestinians in East Jerusalem and the West Bank?

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                  9 months ago

                  They’re only bringing about their own ruin. Fuck, if they actually wanted to do something, then be human fucking beings and adults and come to solve agreement/ compromise. Israel isn’t going anywhere. They only stand to lose more and more by not coming to the table but instead being violent terrorists. They can keep killing for hundreds of years. They’ll end up with even less and accomplish nothing.

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              9 months ago

              And idoubledo did not say aggressor. So what do we gain by fixating on this word?

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      Wow, no one is going to mention what Israel is doing to these people? I don’t agree with terrorists, but the replies should be more nuanced than ‘bad Palestines’.

      In my eyes, as an outsider following the news, Israel has pushed Palestinians to the brink by killing Palestine civilians, seizing more of their land AGAIN and having a dictator for a president that just changed the constitution…

      If you take people’s land, your military kills children, films and laughs about it, push them into poverty, and then come for their homes… Sometimes this is the only way to say ‘enough’.

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        9 months ago

        I think he’s saying that it’s like Israel is the invader, similar to Russia.

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        9 months ago

        Come live in israel and see how is it for us. And I’m saying this as a left wing pro human rights anti settlement opposer of the current fascist government

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        9 months ago

        I think the tragedy is that this goes both ways: if a group of people that just escaped a genocide, gets attacked by all its neighboring countries as soon as they have a state of their own, are explicitly threatened with extinction and are attacked over and over again by military actions and terrorist attacks… sometimes people will try to assert absolute dominance in order to try to ensure their own physical safety above everything else.

        Note: I am very much not justifying any of the above. I just think that it’s not very surprising that people act this way, and that Hamas & Co of course know this - just as the Israeli government & Co know how people react to their actions. In my opinion neither the Israeli government (and orthodox settlers etc.) nor the Hamas (and similar groups) are honestly trying to unfuck the situation.

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      9 months ago

      Yes the evil Muslims from “Palestinia” kill innocent civilians. Typical terrorist behavior. Just like Russia does in Ukraine.