I’m not defending Hamas/Hezbollah/terrorism but the Israeli State - and anybody paying attention - doesn’t get to act all surprised at this result when you repress a population.
The status quo of Israel, Gaza, and Palestine is a deliberate product of those in control of the situation - and the populations are the ones that suffer the consequences.
I love that the answer to alternatives is “not that.” So you suggest they continue to do nothing and let the IDF kill innocent people? This isn’t “good” but neither is the status quo.
The point is they’re actually there, have been living in the situation, and are doing something. You’re only response is that that isn’t allowed. You aren’t there or in their situation. You should keep your mouth shut if the most helpful thing you have to add is “not that.” It was brutal and horrible before this and it’ll be brutal and horrible after.
You aren’t there or in their situation. You should keep your mouth shut
You realize that applies to you equally, right? I hope you do. Because this is the dishonesty I’m talking about.
In actually, I have as much right as you to comment on this situation, especially since this is an internet forum where the whole point is discussion. So “keep your mouth shut” is just about the most useless comment ever, and should be heeded by those who think to say it.
So, yes. I am well within my rights to say that murdering hundreds of civilians at a music festival, and raping, beating, and parading naked a foreign national are not the right way to go about protesting oppression by the Israeli government. Just as you are well within your rights to argue that those are acceptable things to do. It’s an awful thing for you to defend, but you’re allowed to express that opinion.
Absolutely it applies equally to me. Where did I say they should or shouldn’t be doing anything?
You have the right to say whatever you want. War is nasty, and a weaker forcer fighting a stronger force is usually even worse. They can’t win a head on attack. The only reasonable option is guerilla attacks on targets of opportunity. I’m not going to say what those targets are allowed to be or what tools or methods they’re allowed to employ.
The people of Israel have elected far-right leaders with Zionist ideals. Not all of them obviously, but all of them did have a choice. If they finally faced consequences for Zionism they might change their mind. I doubt that’ll happen with this (it’ll probably make it worse) but if things fall together in the right way it could. I don’t know what other options they have other than keep getting murdered and having their houses stolen.
I’m not going to say what those targets are allowed to be or what tools or methods they’re allowed to employ.
And I think that’s a shame.
Slaughtering, raping, and torturing civilians and foreign nationals who are in no way involved in the decision making process is not acceptable. Hard stop.
they can not do that.
And get crushed by Israel? That’s not a choice.
Because killing unarmed civilians definitely gives them a military advantage in the conflict /s
Supporting Hamas is what is going to get them crushed even further.
They’ve getting crushed brutally for decades. Hamas has only been in power since 2006.
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20171209-remembering-the-first-intifada-2/
“Have you tried not being repressed?”
More like, “have you tried attacking only military targets and not massacring civilians”?
I’m not defending Hamas/Hezbollah/terrorism but the Israeli State - and anybody paying attention - doesn’t get to act all surprised at this result when you repress a population.
The status quo of Israel, Gaza, and Palestine is a deliberate product of those in control of the situation - and the populations are the ones that suffer the consequences.
I love that the answer to alternatives is “not that.” So you suggest they continue to do nothing and let the IDF kill innocent people? This isn’t “good” but neither is the status quo.
I love the dishonest replies that pretend “not that” means “nothing at all.”
The point is they’re actually there, have been living in the situation, and are doing something. You’re only response is that that isn’t allowed. You aren’t there or in their situation. You should keep your mouth shut if the most helpful thing you have to add is “not that.” It was brutal and horrible before this and it’ll be brutal and horrible after.
You realize that applies to you equally, right? I hope you do. Because this is the dishonesty I’m talking about.
In actually, I have as much right as you to comment on this situation, especially since this is an internet forum where the whole point is discussion. So “keep your mouth shut” is just about the most useless comment ever, and should be heeded by those who think to say it.
So, yes. I am well within my rights to say that murdering hundreds of civilians at a music festival, and raping, beating, and parading naked a foreign national are not the right way to go about protesting oppression by the Israeli government. Just as you are well within your rights to argue that those are acceptable things to do. It’s an awful thing for you to defend, but you’re allowed to express that opinion.
Absolutely it applies equally to me. Where did I say they should or shouldn’t be doing anything?
You have the right to say whatever you want. War is nasty, and a weaker forcer fighting a stronger force is usually even worse. They can’t win a head on attack. The only reasonable option is guerilla attacks on targets of opportunity. I’m not going to say what those targets are allowed to be or what tools or methods they’re allowed to employ.
The people of Israel have elected far-right leaders with Zionist ideals. Not all of them obviously, but all of them did have a choice. If they finally faced consequences for Zionism they might change their mind. I doubt that’ll happen with this (it’ll probably make it worse) but if things fall together in the right way it could. I don’t know what other options they have other than keep getting murdered and having their houses stolen.
And I think that’s a shame.
Slaughtering, raping, and torturing civilians and foreign nationals who are in no way involved in the decision making process is not acceptable. Hard stop.
It’s shameful that you won’t say that too.