• lanolinoil@lemmy.world
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    If I took your family’s house and people’s sovereignty away for a few generations would you still be able to stand on your moral highground?

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      Are you asking if I’d rape and murder innocent women if I felt aggrieved by a third party? I can confidently say that, no, I would not do that. Is that really standing on a moral high ground, or just not being a murderous, psychopathic, piece of shit?

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        No I was saying step outside of your own experience and really try to empathize with others. You should do it in all issues. Your other comment I felt showed you mostly ignored that.

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          I can’t sympathise with murderous rapists. I can’t imagine any common ground. I sympathise with the peaceful people of Palestine. Those few who don’t support Hamas.

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            And those few make enough loud booms that create red mist carnage to ruin it for the rest of the people. Israel’s response to terrorism is understandable. The problem is that modern-day zealots do shit like create illegal settlements. Israel tried preventing illegal settlements to be repaid with more bombs. Now they know they’re going to get attacked either way. This will not end well, especially with Israel’s current government.

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          I can understand that a person in a barbaric situation would turn to barbarism.

          It is our responsibility as sentient beings to NOT do that. For some of us it is easier than others. But it is everyone’s responsibility. Regardless of circumstance.

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            Right – But to make desperate people who cheer misguidedly ‘the other’ and different from us dehumanizes them which comes with all kinds of bad side effects, many of which you can see on display here.

            You can do both – You can not condone violence while understanding why a group of people treated like they’re not people can fail to uphold high morals in this situation without gloating or pretending they’re made of stuff you’re not. We’re all just people.

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              Nope. They failed the test of basic humanity. Their test was more difficult than ours, but they still failed.

              No sympathy. Understanding, but not sympathy.

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        Go live in Gaza and show them all how morally superior you are.

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          If I lived in Gaza I would be royally pissed at Hamas but wouldn’t say a thing because I enjoy being alive. If I lived in Gaza I would understand that the leadership was corrupt and pocketed millions of dollars of Israeli and international aid intended to allow Gaza to have its own power and water plants. If I lived in Gaza I would do my best not to live in Gaza, but would be not allowed to leave because no Arab country wants any more Palestinians then they already have.

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      Citi Bank took my parents’ home and thus any inheritance the family had coming. So one can theoretically go murder those executives’ children as compensation and be morally right, yes? Or is putting in more identifiable terms highlighting how insane that logic actually is?

      Native Americans can invade American preschools and cut the throats of all the toddlers similar to what Hamas has uploaded to the internet with Israeli kids, yes?

      Don’t you see the slippery slope and immoral position you hold here?

      Bad people love to wear the mantle of victim because it justifies all the evil shit they do.