The Israeli rescue service Zaka says its paramedics removed more than 260 bodies from a music festival that came under attack by Hamas militants.

The total figure of bodies found is expected to be higher, as other paramedic teams were also working in the area and Zaka added that the bodies “haven’t all been collected yet”.

Early on Saturday morning, Hamas targeted Nova music festival, a techno rave in the desert near the border with Gaza.

Videos shared on social media and by Israeli news outlets showed dozens of festival-goers running through an open field as gunshots rang out. Many hid in nearby fruit orchards or were gunned down as they fled.

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    Hamas is the governing body of Palestine.

    It was Palestine who did this.

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      Strictly speaking, it’s the governing body of Gaza, which hasn’t held elections in well over a decade. The West Bank is governed by the party Fatah, which is much less militant.

      There is, however, the awkward truth that the West Bank has also not held elections in a long time, precisely because Hamas would probably win them.

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        At last count, Hamas had something like a 75 percent approval rating in Gaza.

        The support among all Palestinians is just over 50 percent.

        Only 14 percent support the opposition party.

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          Political statistics are so fucking weaponized now, that I find it laughable that you would trust the methodology used enough to back an argument of this scale with figures like this.

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      I see your intent here but you’re going to have to say you killed all the Iraqis and Afghanis who didn’t deserve to die in our wars in the middle east, if you’re going to say Palestine is the one who did this.

      Sometimes bodies meant to represent and govern in fact do not represent while they govern.

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        you’re going to have to say you killed

        No, to be consistent they’d have to say America killed them. No need to switch from blaming a country to blaming an individual citizen.

        I think a majority of Americans would admit America killed them.

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          I think it’s quite obvious they were using the royal ‘you’, as in America (almost every American assumes everyone else is also American in the internet unless otherwise stated).

          And they’re right, American soldiers did unspeakable things in Afghanistan and Iraq, but that doesn’t mean all Americans are responsible for the decisions those soldiers made.

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              I do hope you’ll appreciate that everyone isn’t American though and assuming any given poster is is borderline insulting.

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                Oh well. There’s a lot of big problems in the world and that’s not fucking one of them to me so carry on.

                I’m going to let you be a big boy and choose whether you want to be insulted or not, I don’t care either way, it’s YOUR choice.

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        My government doesn’t have a 75% approval rating like Hamas does.

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        No but i still am part of my country. Every thing my government does represents my country and therefore me.

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              Not what I’m saying. If my government does something I disagree with then it’s not really representing me.

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                That’s not how representation works. You don’t get to cherry pick what you like and don’t, nice fucking try though?

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                  I think they meant support, please tone down your rhetoric. It’s not conducive to the growth of ideas. Also a person can misrepresent someone. If I elect someone on my behalf to promote a healthy lifestyle and instead they use all their power to sell cigarettes to children you could argue they are not faithfully representing your agreed upon views. Technically yes they are the representative though.

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            That’s why you revolt and form revolutions. But, when a majority of the country is on the wrong side, that becomes the public face of the country.

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        Did Germany support everything the Nazis did? No, not every citizen, but it was enough support to give Hitler his rise to power and descend into WWII.

        Did Afghanistan support everything the Taliban did? No, but war was the only response to 9/11.

        In the end, war sucks and many innocent people will be caught in the crossfire. But, I don’t see any other end result out of this. Israel has been so beaten down by terrorist attacks and hostility since literally the day the country was formed that war is the only way forward. They have tried every other option for the last 50 years.

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      That’s like saying when Republicans do something stupid. It’s America. It’s not. There’s far more going on. And that’s just disingenuous.

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        The lack of nuance displayed around here sometimes is truly disturbing.

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          “Them versus us” mentality is very prominent in modern society and it’s only gotten worse. Not just in the context of conflicts, it’s a general problem.

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      By this logic all Iranians support their current Islamist government, which everyone and their mother knows to not be true.

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      Hamas is the governing body of Gaza. They don’t control the West Bank where the majority of Palestinians live.