• PugJesus@kbin.social
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    Already ~260 Palestinian children have been killed. That number is only going to go up. No sympathy for them? What about sympathy for the Palestinians living under the rule of Israel and Hamas who haven’t had a real election in almost two decades, and whose oppressors can be best described as ‘bad’ (Israel) and ‘worse’ (Hamas)?

    People miss this like it’s some ideological struggle. Like siding with Palestine or Israel inherently are causes with some abstract values attached to them. They’re not, not at their core. It’s just a blood feud. It’s just one big, abhorrent, ugly blood feud with no end in sight.

    We should have listened to Hannah Arendt.

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      Are we doing a dead child competition? In a thread about slaughtered children, what-abouting other slaughtered children is pretty callous. Here is one of multiple stories that cover the monstrosities happening to Palestinian children. Now that the dead child reporting is fair and balanced can we get back to mourning the tragedy that this thread is about?

      https://abcnews.go.com/amp/International/feels-safe-palestinians-fear-israeli-airstrikes-continue-hamas/story?id=103861511

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        Are we doing a dead child competition?

        No, that’s the fucking point. Losing track of sympathy for the people on the ground is dehumanization and to be avoided, regardless of the horrific crimes of Hamas. I was responding specifically to the commenter aoove me in the chain.

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      What the hell are you even talking about. You’re just using talking points.

      Media loves Palestinians. Guess what - Hamas, Iran, Syria, Lebanon, they all love when you conflate them with the poor Palestinians. But they are separate. Palestinians get screwed by Hamas, etc. Western media coverage is deeply problematic. You should know this by now with all the disinformation campaigns online the past 7 years.

      To answer your question, there is a shitload of sympathy for them. But you don’t get to do unrepentant violence. Raping and murdering babies.

      Please do not ignore Palestinian leaders who steal aid from their own people, brainwash their children to hate Jews, and spout rhetoric that the Jews caused the Holocaust.

      Please do not reduce it to a blood feud. It only shows you’re a morally outraged outsider and got no clue. This is hate and racism. It’s middle eastern politics. It’s a proxy war, and it’s a tale of having democracy in a deeply corrupt and autocratic region.

      The best thing you can do is stay out of it and stick to your peaceful talking point. Because that’s what we need. Not more uneducated “advocates.” It serves no one.

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        do you realize 40% of gaza populations is children under 14? do you realize the west bank has nothing to do with this?

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        Media loves Palestinians. Guess what - Hamas, Iran, Syria, Lebanon, they all love when you conflate them with the poor Palestinians. But they are separate. Palestinians get screwed by Hamas, etc. Western media coverage is deeply problematic. You should know this by now with all the disinformation campaigns online the past 7 years.

        Didn’t realize those 260 children were secret Hamas-Iranian-Syrian-Lebanese agents. I apologize.

        To answer your question, there is a shitload of sympathy for them. But you don’t get to do unrepentant violence. Raping and murdering babies.

        Don’t know where I said that was okay, but go off, I guess.

        Please do not ignore Palestinian leaders who steal aid from their own people, brainwash their children to hate Jews, and spout rhetoric that the Jews caused the Holocaust.

        Again, I don’t know where I said otherwise, but keep tilting at that windmill.

        Please do not reduce it to a blood feud. It only shows you’re a morally outraged outsider and got no clue. This is hate and racism. It’s middle eastern politics.

        … what exactly do you think a blood feud is, if not hate and racism? I’m curious.

        It’s a proxy war, and it’s a tale of having democracy in a deeply corrupt and autocratic region.

        That’s some ‘they hate us for our freedumbs’ level post-9/11 spirit, right there.

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          You’re beyond out of touch. Are you from the region?

          Would you call systemic racism in the USA a blood feud? Would you call white supremacy a blood feud? I think all the words you’re using don’t mean what you think they mean.