• probablyaCat@kbin.social
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    1 year ago

    Honestly this is an awful situation. But the reason you don’t see more harsh criticisms from world leaders (and there have been criticisms and statements calling some of what they are doing as illegal) is because the world leaders know that they may need to same option if something similar happens to them.

    Do you have a better suggestion for what Israel should do in order to respond. And saying “free Palestine” doesn’t count. They completely left Gaza and it got worse. I can’t stand Bibi, but he absolutely called it when they were planning to leave Gaza. The blockade of Gaza didn’t start until Hamas took over. And do recall Egypt is also blockading.

    If Tijuana started launching rockets and attacked thousands of civilians in California, what do think the response would look like? Or if Morocco did the same to Ceuta?

    I don’t see how this attack ends. I mean it has absolutely destroyed the chance for Gaza reps to be involved in peace talks. Not that there was much chance of that. Honestly, if I had to guess, Israel plans to wipe out all of the higher up Hamas this time in an attempt to bring Gaza back under the PA/Fatah.

    But, given the situation is what it is, how do you think the Israeli government should respond?

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      I mean. I agree that Hamas are fuckheads and the leaders are very safe somewhere else. They don’t care that much about the response. And of course I condemn Hamas’ killing of civilians.

      Hamas is a tumor that is not interested in lasting peace with Israel. I agree that moderate factions should be governing.

      Now, as what Israel should do. It’s not easy, I agree. Any option has drawbacks, so there is no good solution, especially at this boiling point.

      Keep up the siege, or rather lockdown athat point, but let necessities of life through. Let the Red Cross and other orgnizations help the civilians.

      The issue is, that doing this will not lessen the disdain peolle in Gaza have for Israel and become new fertile ground of hatred against Israel. Unless they kill everyone there, at which point the situation is solved. But for what price?

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        1 year ago

        Rewarding their mass murder of civilians by capitulating, surely that will keep them safe.

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            Incentivizing mass murder, bold move. Next time someone you love gets murdered be sure to give the murderer a gift rather than seeking punishment for them. I’m sure that will improve things and lead to a more safe and fair world.

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      I mean, they kind of left Gaza. They still send soldiers in there all the time, they still control most of its borders, it’s water, electricity, trash, etc, and they cut those things off all the time. It’s basically an open air prison.

      Also, Israel has killed off all higher Hamas members before so that won’t work. And Bibi supported Hamas to prevent a two state solution before so doubt he wants them united under one government. He just wants to do a genocide now, let’s be honest.

      As for possible solutions, there’s too much emnity between Israel and Palestine, there probably needs to be a third party at this point, even though one caused the problem in the first place lol. Someone that’s not the US or UK, since Israel is basically their puppet state and the UK caused the initial issues, and not one of the anti-Israel states like Iran. Or maybe it needs to be formed from both groups so that both points of view are represented? Idk. A solution is definitely the hardest part for sure.

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        Gotta love how everyone calls Gaza an “open air prison” then go on to blame Israel, totally disregarding the fact that Gaza’s southern border is with Egypt.

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          That’s because Egypt isn’t the one who kicked them out of their homes and spread into more land, kickstarting the crisis in the first place.

          They definitely should accept more than they have, but we can’t blame Egypt for not wanting literally millions of refugees. No country would want that. Otherwise you end up like Palestine when the Israelis came in, or the Native Americans when British colonists come in.

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        The only reason they can cut off water and power is because Israel provides them with those things. PA has been given money to develop infrastructure, but Hamas chooses to cut up pipes to build rockets and use cement for smuggling tunnels.

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      “They completely left Gaza and it got worse.”

      They left Gaza and then doubled down not only on embargoes, but also on building illegal settlements in West Bank in violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention that they are signatories to.

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      But the reason you don’t see more harsh criticisms from world leaders (and there have been criticisms and statements calling some of what they are doing as illegal) is because the world leaders know that they may need to same option if something similar happens to them.