• EatBorekYouWreck@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    Why does it sound fabricated that an attack that killed 1200 civilians targeted civilians?

    For me it makes total sense.

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      1 year ago

      I’m talking about the attack plan printout here. Not the attack itself.

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        1 year ago

        I’m not sure about your logic here, do you recognize the attack but reject that it was planned with printouts? Do you think the attack of >2000 terrorists was spontaneous?

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          1 year ago

          I’m not sure if you’re playing dumb here. What I’m saying is, that this looks like Israel is planting fake evidence to spin a narrative. That does neither mean nor imply that there was no attack or that that was not planned. The “40 beheaded babies” turned out to be bullshit and I bet this will too. Even if the printouts turn out to be genuine, the reporting on it seems to be disingenuous and tries to make Hamas, and by extension the Palestinian people, look even worse than they are to make the over the top retaliation more palatable to the world by dehumanizing the enemy.

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            1 year ago

            What spin does Israel need to be doing exactly? This is all coming from Hamas itself.

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              1 year ago

              Have you ever heard of propaganda and dehumanization? Have you also noticed how Israel has already killed at least three times more civilians in the past few days?

              Hamas targeted residential district …

              Hamas target school in … to kill children!!!

              Spot the difference. What feels more like honest reporting and why would one choose the other option?

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            1 year ago

            The ‘40 beheaded babies’ were a misquote from an interview with one IDF commander blown up by some media. It was corrected quickly.

            Even if the printouts turn out to be genuine, the reporting on it seems to be disingenuous and tries to make Hamas, and by extension the Palestinian people, look even worse than they are to make the over the top retaliation more palatable to the world by dehumanizing the enemy.

            Wait so if I understand you correctly: even if these documents are genuine and prove that Hamas explicitly wanted to target children, it’s still a big media conspiracy to make Hamas worse than they are?

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            The ‘40 beheaded babies’ were a misquote from an interview with one IDF commander blown up by some media. It was corrected quickly.

            Even if the printouts turn out to be genuine, the reporting on it seems to be disingenuous and tries to make Hamas, and by extension the Palestinian people, look even worse than they are to make the over the top retaliation more palatable to the world by dehumanizing the enemy.

            Wait so if I understand you correctly: even if these documents are genuine and prove that Hamas explicitly wanted to target children, it’s still a big media conspiracy to make Hamas look worse than they are?

            I think you’ve strayed far from the path

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              Wait so if I understand you correctly: […]

              You don’t.

              even if these documents are genuine and prove that Hamas explicitly wanted to target children, it’s still a big media conspiracy to make Hamas look worse than they are?

              No. But I don’t see that from those pictures. They targeted a residential area, which happened to contain a school (big surprise). Like with the “beheaded babies”, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. From the provided information I’m not convinced that Hamas targeted children specifically.

              Targeting civilians is already bad. The way I suggest they spin a story is by setting the focus on children, babies, women, … to appeal to emotions rather than just reporting facts. And I think they do that to dehumanize Hamas and by extension Palestinians to justify the retaliatory atrocities of an even bigger magnitude in the eyes of the world.

              It’s really not that hard of a concept to grasp … remember the babies taken out of the incubators in Iraq?

    • Spzi@lemm.ee
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      1 year ago

      Hamas is a genocidal, racist organization who declared in their charter peace talks are “a waste of time and vain endeavors”.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas_Charter

      Yeah, maybe this is fabricated. But we do not need to collect evidence to be able to judge who they are. They state it proud and clearly.