"Along with the very real and violent war on the ground – there is also a fierce information war. Like Tuesday’s explosion at the Gaza hospital which Hamas says killed hundreds of people.

Israel says it was a misfired Islamic Jihad rocket, which they deny. Hamas says it was an Israeli airstrike, which they deny.

But tonight Forensic Architecture, Earshot and the Ramallah based NGO Al Haq have shared new information with Channel 4 News they say casts doubt on some aspects of Israel’s account."

The evidence is presented in the video

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    Doesn’t matter who did it. The issue is the systemic oppression of a population, apartheid leads to violence. Blame is immaterial here. Both belligerents are bad actors, having done terrible things to each other, and the civilians.

    The only resolution is how to end the apartheid. Truth and reconciliation, integration of the populations, total freedom and liberation of a country, take your pick.

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      If your “only resolution” is completely unattainable, that’s not very helpful.

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        Ending apartheid is attainable. It’s worked in many different countries. It’s not an easy process by any means. Nobody’s going to have peace, as long as apartheid continues.

        Granting Independence to Palestine has been on the table for 60 years. Very attainable, the will currently doesn’t exist but it’s attainable.

        The current plan of just ratcheting up the pressure doesn’t seem to be working…

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      People thought it matters who did it when they were still thinking it was Israel.

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        You’re building a straw man here. Why do you think those were the exact same people? I think you’re creating an imaginary enemy here

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          There were lots of posts and comments how Israel killed 500 civilians. A lot of people seemed to care who did it.

          With that background, it’s worthwhile to post additional information if the previous was misleading. Doesn’t matter if it’s the same people (not exactly sure to who you’re referring), neither did I create an enemy.

          Apparently there was demand for the information who did it, so it’s good to post updates, even if other people think it doesn’t matter.

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            Yes, some people thought it mattered. Yes, some people are hypocrites. But saying “people” just paints everyone with the same brush. Some people said from the very beginning that the entire situation has to stop. Hell, Israel has bombed hospitals countless times in the past, so it’s not like it even matters that much anyway. I just got annoyed with your “people thought it mattered” as if everyone has the exact same opinion as of the people you have encountered.

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              Oh, alright. Seems you would have been fine if I had written “Some people” instead of just “People”. As a non-native speaker, I’m not sure wether “People” actually means some or all people.

              Like when I say “People like the new iPhone”, are you sure that means all people like it? Or can that sentence be said when a large number likes it, although some don’t, and the overall majority didn’t even consider to buy it?

              Either way, I could have clarified with a short emphasis, yes.

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                Yeah I’m not a native speaker either. Any other way I’m glad that was clarified.

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        The issue is the war and violence, lets not bicker and argue about who killed who… the continuation is the problem. If we were at peace and trying to find justice about war crimes, the blame and facts matter, but we are talking about a ongoing 60 year war, that has just come to a boil.

        There isn’t any diplomatic effort to find a solution on the table, just more violence and escalation…

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      Of course, that’s the reasonable objective.

      How do you integrate a population that wants to kill you though?

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        If you try to kill them right back, that just proves their point.

        Need to find a stable situation for the area. Either bite the bullet and make a independent state of them, or integrate them into the one country. Two separate populations in the same area will just beget more violence.

        Hamas can only be defeated by the people seeing that they have better options, its a difficult path, but it has to be done.

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          So you just let them kill you without response. And you think Hamas and the other fundamentalist Islamic terrorists will stop killing Jews once they have their own state, which they rejected when they were offered it.

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            You carry out a proportional response. When there’s a huge power asymmetry you have to consider that in your responses.

            There will never be peace with Hamas, or any religious fundamentalist. The entire exercise is to get the population to have a better option so they don’t back the extremists. Both populations

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      This one attack is being skillfully used to redirect our attention from the real issue, that is, everything you said.