I don’t think there are many people that are seriously pro hamas, just benign or neutral, in respect to the fact that one side which has a large collection of groups working together, the Israeli defense force and US government etc, etc yet has kind of made some blunders and has not played their cards very well.
Even for the USA, after 9-11 and Iraq, when they moved ahead with invading Afghanistan, there was still an attempt to spend some time with negotiation and “state building” despite being seen across the world as barbarian invaders. See, the gift of being ignorant but having a lot of guns is that you don’t have as much weight on your shoulders if you screw up, the biggest project could be a highway, but for Israel, they’ve had a lot of international support and has had more than 50 yrs to resolve the Palestine question, I think it’s quite fair to say by now that they’re kind of bulldozing just to act like they have easy answers because they have an urban growth problem now more than an actual terrorism problem.
Ironically the fact that they now have a terrorism problem is more a symptom of government incompetence than terrorists actually actively seeking to destroy the state of Israel
To be blunt, even a Zionist here would understand that it’s not about being for or against the state of Israel having a right to exist, it’s about the issue of the IDF failing to resolve real issues with terrorists while essentially turning a blind eye to repeated problematic behaviours.
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Wait, are you saying that people should never protest against something their country is doing/was involved in?
Yes.
Care to elaborate?
Livus is referencing the Balfour Agreement .
Well that’s dumb. How’s a country going to correct its behaviour if it’s citizens can’t voice they want to change?
South Africa, for example, would still be an apartheid state.
Yes.
Wait, you’re pro-apartheid?
What? You totally inverted the comment with which I was agreeing.
You too have the ability to change your answer instead of leaving it to be pro-apartheid.
You cannot blame the normal civilians for these particular actions. I don’t even think, some of them were even born yet.
The British clusterfuck here dates back to the first world war. No one remotely involved is alive now.
…and, we exited the area well before Israel achieved statehood.
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I don’t think there are many people that are seriously pro hamas, just benign or neutral, in respect to the fact that one side which has a large collection of groups working together, the Israeli defense force and US government etc, etc yet has kind of made some blunders and has not played their cards very well.
Even for the USA, after 9-11 and Iraq, when they moved ahead with invading Afghanistan, there was still an attempt to spend some time with negotiation and “state building” despite being seen across the world as barbarian invaders. See, the gift of being ignorant but having a lot of guns is that you don’t have as much weight on your shoulders if you screw up, the biggest project could be a highway, but for Israel, they’ve had a lot of international support and has had more than 50 yrs to resolve the Palestine question, I think it’s quite fair to say by now that they’re kind of bulldozing just to act like they have easy answers because they have an urban growth problem now more than an actual terrorism problem.
Ironically the fact that they now have a terrorism problem is more a symptom of government incompetence than terrorists actually actively seeking to destroy the state of Israel
To be blunt, even a Zionist here would understand that it’s not about being for or against the state of Israel having a right to exist, it’s about the issue of the IDF failing to resolve real issues with terrorists while essentially turning a blind eye to repeated problematic behaviours.
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Pretty sure the Romans named it Palestine to be dicks to Jews lol