• fosforus@sopuli.xyz
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    The battle lines are being drawn in the court of public opinion.

    Fortunately, a misguided demonstration doesn’t dictate policy.

    this apartheid regime.

    Israel is obviously not an apartheid state.

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      According to Amnesty International, the world’s leading human rights organisation: “Israel imposes a system of oppression and domination against Palestinians across all areas under its control.” According to B’Tselem, the Israeli Information Center for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories: “The Israeli regime enacts in all the territory it controls an apartheid regime.”

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        What does the ADL think of B’Tselem?

        I’m not sure I give a fuck what either think, but it’s clearly not unbiased.

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          Give it a couple of years. Now that Hamas have upped the ante the whole thing will come to its logical conclusion. Netanyahu and the Israel military won’t stop until Israel will take over the entirety of former Palestine. Eventually it will become another South Africa, with non-Jewish people as second class citizens.

          This is already in effect in Israeli territory but overlooked because there are still supposed to be independent Palestinian areas. When those are gone there will be no pretense anymore.

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      They’ve self described themselves as that in the past before term became criminalised in the early 2000s

      It’s at least debatable and certainly not obvious.

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        What exactly does it mean to be an apartheid state?

        Apartheid was explicitly racialized discrimination. White citizens and black citizens had vastly different rights under the law. Black South African citizens, for example, couldn’t vote for parliamentary representatives by 1959.

        Israel is different, in that most legal discrimination is on the basis of citizenship. Arab-Israeli citizens face a lot of private racism, but their legal rights are completely different vs Arabs in Palestine without Israeli citizenship.

        The difference between Arab Israelis and people in Gaza isn’t racial, it’s whether they lived in Gaza or in what was partitioned into Israel, and if they fled during the 1948 war or not.

        Israel’s regime is deeply problematic in many ways. Whether it’s aparthied or not seems mostly in how you generalize your definition of apartheid. If apartheid must be explicitly racialized discrimination against citizens, Israel is obviously not an apartheid state. If discriminating against non-citizens counts, Israel is an apartheid state.