• photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      1 year ago

      No, I agree. I just mean that Hamas wanted to sow chaos and destruction by doing what they did, and well, that’s what they got. It’s still unclear who fired that rocket, whether it was a misfire or whatever, but if Hamas hadn’t attacked, there would be no israeli ground offensive, half of Gaza wouldn’t have been ordered to evactuate, and a lot of innocents would still be alive today.

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        1 year ago

        …And Hamas wouldn’t have wanted to sow chaos and destruction if Israel had been negotiating in good faith since 1967. But they haven’t. So here we are.

        Hamas is an entity of Israel’s creation, and was funded by Israel to remove support from other, less militant Palestinian organizations.

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          1 year ago

          Zionists argue all the way back to several hundreds years B.C. Not that you can always draw an exactly straight line here, but the point should be that no reaction is inevitable, but that we have organized governments here making these decisions every day.

          • HelixDab2@lemm.ee
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            1 year ago

            Well, shit, then argue back before that. What of the Babylonians and the Assyrians that the Israelites genocided? What of their ancestors? Shouldn’t they have their land returned to them?

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              If you go far enough back we’re probably all entitled to the land. Let’s just do away with these “borders” and make the whole world into a theme park instead.

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                1 year ago

                I’m in favor of annihilation of humans as a species and returning the land to the rightful owners: the plants and (non-human) animals. Surely they can’t fuck it up as much as we have.

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          Every time there’s been a viable two-state solution presented, Hamas or whoever was the palestinian authroity at the time rejected the proposal because they want all of Israel. That isn’t happening. Israel has agreed to a two state solution multiple times! The representatives of palestine never have. If they had, this situation would’ve stabilized decades ago.

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            Israel has agreed to a two state solution multiple times!

            Certainly not in 1995, or in 2014. They’ve also went back on their own ceasefires with Hamas in 2008 and 2012.