The continued violence is a consequence of the systematic oppression of ethnic Arabs in the Israeli territories. I know we don’t agree on the word apartheid.
The Israeli government is in the position where they have to remove Hamas from the Gaza strip, it’s going to be a bloody effort, but they have no choice.
The question becomes after they’ve removed Hamas, how do they work with the remaining Palestinians? The two-tiered system oppressing ethnic Arabs has to end, or they’ll just be a different group that emerges.
Relitigating the past isn’t going to bring peace, people might not be happy about a single state solution, but a two-state solution is not feasible. But hell, if a two-state solution works great I welcome it.
It is pretty clearly apartheid, the sterile streets in the West Bank that only one race can use, that is segregation of a population by an ethnicity, for the benefit of a minority. So continuing the previous business of oppressing an ethnicity is going to just continue the cycle of violence
The continued violence is a consequence of the systematic oppression of ethnic Arabs in the Israeli territories.
I don’t buy that theory. Hamas says their grievance is that a Jew somewhere has a pulse. I take them at their word.
The question becomes after they’ve removed Hamas, how do they work with the remaining Palestinians? The two-tiered system oppressing ethnic Arabs has to end, or they’ll just be a different group that emerges.
There isn’t a two-tiered system. Israeli Arabs enjoy all the same privileges as Israeli Jews.
Now, the conditions in Palestine are inhumane and awful, but I don’t see that changing with a full Israeli withdrawal. Keep in mind, Israel did mostly withdrawal from Gaza almost 20 years ago.
It is pretty clearly apartheid, the sterile streets in the West Bank that only one race can use, that is segregation of a population by an ethnicity, for the benefit of a minority.
That’s just factually completely incorrect. There are several million ethnic Arabs living in Israel. And benefit? What benefit, exactly, does Israel realize here? Would you think the average Israeli wants to live next to Palestine? Surely you see the difference: White South Africans wanted apartheid. Most Israelis probably want to live as far away from anything having to do with Palestine as possible.
There’s no benefit to Israel. There’s no exploitation of labor or natural resources or anything like that aside from a few thousand settlers living as unlawful squatters in the West Bank.
It would be like saying that the United States’ invasion of Afghanistan, which saw thousands of Americans die and billions of dollars lost, was akin to the British invasion of India, which was a very profitable enterprise.
Just because it’s a first world country with a modern military doesn’t mean that it’s the same thing.
Again you bring up Hamas, I am not talking about Hamas.
After Hamas is destroyed completely apartheid and oppression will cause more systemic violence. The sterile road system in the west bank is a clear demonstration of apartheid.
A full Israel withdrawal would include no embargo with external trade. Fully isolating some land in your territory and not allowing anyone in or out is not a independent country, at best it’s a prison at worst is a grave yard.
The resource Israel enjoys from Palestine is the land as demonstrated by the west bank.
After Hamas is destroyed completely apartheid and oppression will cause more systemic violence. The sterile road system in the west bank is a clear demonstration of apartheid.
Repeat after. Hamas. Is. Not. The. Result. Of. Oppression.
You believe that terrorism emerged because of the terrible conditions of Palestine. What you don’t seem to realize is that the conditions in Palestine are terrible because of terrorism.
Hamas is not the effect. It is the cause.
A full Israel withdrawal would include no embargo with external trade. Fully isolating some land in your territory and not allowing anyone in or out is not a independent country, at best it’s a prison at worst is a grave yard.
Correct. Like existed for the 19 years leading up to Gaza and the West Bank being used as a platform of aggression against Israel-proper.
But have you thought of the wisdom of that for Israel? Every time they loosen their control of either territory, it results in more Israelis dead in the streets. As was the case in the months leading up to this one – more permits for Gazas, fewer trade restrictions, more shipments. It seems those were mostly used to smuggle in weapons.
The continued violence is a consequence of the systematic oppression of ethnic Arabs in the Israeli territories. I know we don’t agree on the word apartheid.
The Israeli government is in the position where they have to remove Hamas from the Gaza strip, it’s going to be a bloody effort, but they have no choice.
The question becomes after they’ve removed Hamas, how do they work with the remaining Palestinians? The two-tiered system oppressing ethnic Arabs has to end, or they’ll just be a different group that emerges.
Relitigating the past isn’t going to bring peace, people might not be happy about a single state solution, but a two-state solution is not feasible. But hell, if a two-state solution works great I welcome it.
It is pretty clearly apartheid, the sterile streets in the West Bank that only one race can use, that is segregation of a population by an ethnicity, for the benefit of a minority. So continuing the previous business of oppressing an ethnicity is going to just continue the cycle of violence
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2023/10/11/more-bloodshed-will-never-resolve-the-israel-palestine-conflict/f3cb49ba-67ee-11ee-9753-2b3742e96987_story.html
https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/apartheid Any similar policy of racial separation/segregation and discrimination, particularly when in favor of a minority rule.
I don’t buy that theory. Hamas says their grievance is that a Jew somewhere has a pulse. I take them at their word.
There isn’t a two-tiered system. Israeli Arabs enjoy all the same privileges as Israeli Jews.
Now, the conditions in Palestine are inhumane and awful, but I don’t see that changing with a full Israeli withdrawal. Keep in mind, Israel did mostly withdrawal from Gaza almost 20 years ago.
That’s just factually completely incorrect. There are several million ethnic Arabs living in Israel. And benefit? What benefit, exactly, does Israel realize here? Would you think the average Israeli wants to live next to Palestine? Surely you see the difference: White South Africans wanted apartheid. Most Israelis probably want to live as far away from anything having to do with Palestine as possible.
There’s no benefit to Israel. There’s no exploitation of labor or natural resources or anything like that aside from a few thousand settlers living as unlawful squatters in the West Bank.
It would be like saying that the United States’ invasion of Afghanistan, which saw thousands of Americans die and billions of dollars lost, was akin to the British invasion of India, which was a very profitable enterprise.
Just because it’s a first world country with a modern military doesn’t mean that it’s the same thing.
Again you bring up Hamas, I am not talking about Hamas.
After Hamas is destroyed completely apartheid and oppression will cause more systemic violence. The sterile road system in the west bank is a clear demonstration of apartheid.
A full Israel withdrawal would include no embargo with external trade. Fully isolating some land in your territory and not allowing anyone in or out is not a independent country, at best it’s a prison at worst is a grave yard.
The resource Israel enjoys from Palestine is the land as demonstrated by the west bank.
Repeat after. Hamas. Is. Not. The. Result. Of. Oppression.
You believe that terrorism emerged because of the terrible conditions of Palestine. What you don’t seem to realize is that the conditions in Palestine are terrible because of terrorism.
Hamas is not the effect. It is the cause.
Correct. Like existed for the 19 years leading up to Gaza and the West Bank being used as a platform of aggression against Israel-proper.
But have you thought of the wisdom of that for Israel? Every time they loosen their control of either territory, it results in more Israelis dead in the streets. As was the case in the months leading up to this one – more permits for Gazas, fewer trade restrictions, more shipments. It seems those were mostly used to smuggle in weapons.
You seem to be saying the only solution for the area is a total arab lock down forever. And I simply can never agree with that.
Hamas didn’t always exist, Hamas is a result of the conditions of the people.