• lloram239@feddit.de
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    1 year ago

    You can’t defeat hamas militarily.

    Of course you can. You essentially have to. The issue isn’t defeating them, but rebuilding afterwards. Deradicalizing Islamic terrorists without a fight is not something anybody knows how to do.

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      1 year ago

      While it’s theoretically possible, I don’t think this way could achieve it. Keep in mind that while winning would be a plus for Hamas, the only thing they consider vital is for Israel to suffer.

      The following magical scenario might have worked: -Hamas committed the atrocity, just like they did, so everyone can see they have it coming. -Magically surgically obliterate Hamas to a man without inflicting violence on any non combatants.

      However, Israel is inflicting massive collateral damage, casualties, and blockading. Inciting hatred among a whole generation of people that would be Hamas. Even if you did genocide on the whole area, other people in the surrounding region are likely to take up the Hamas mission in retaliation. An adequately surgical outcome is likely impossible, but it’s probable that Israel could have managed somewhat better than they have.

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      1 year ago

      so, history has shown that the military stuff doesn’t really work at fighting terrorist insurgents. Ironically, you have to do the “rebuilding” beforehand, and even then you will eventually need to let some of them go.

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        1 year ago

        so, history has shown that the military stuff doesn’t really work

        Worked pretty damn well against Germany and Japan. The crux is that Hamas is no longer just random insurgents, they already are the government and they have wide support in the population.

        you have to do the “rebuilding” beforehand

        All of that just ends up supporting Hamas. They’ll have all the resources with none of the responsibilities. Just look what they have done in Gaza, they build huge tunnel networks, thousands of rockets and kept indoctrinating the next generation in schools and camps. You don’t stop that by throwing more resources at them. You have to completely disrupt their organisation and replace the hole they leave with something else.

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          1 year ago

          Worked pretty damn well against Germany and Japan.

          tell me you know nothing of Europe from 1800 to the 60s without telling me you don’t know anything.

          ironically, 400 years of war and destruction never stopped the french-german enmity, but I’m sure it will work in the Middle East!

          as for the second thing, Israel could stop supporting Hamas against the current Palestinian government, but then how will Netanyahu wage war against the brown people?