• soumerd_retardataire@lemmy.worldOP
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    Interesting, so criticising our tribalism makes me the one with a limited world view, how so ?

    We care much more about what’s happening in countries we’re allied with(, whether they’re on our continent or not), that sucks, we should help each other and not fight [insert a way too long list of countries here…]

    It’s not that world peace is difficult, but that our refusal of unity is difficult to overturn, we(sterners) are the f*cking prime wagers of death&destruction, didn’t know that ten years ago.

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      so criticising our tribalism makes me the one with a limited world view, how so ?

      No, you fucking invalid. Your worldview is limited because you don’t understand what “local” means.

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      i mean, we are tribal yeah. we care about ourself first, then our family and allies then the rest. Thats simply how organised life works.

      You cant possibly care for EVERYONE at the same capacity. I mean you could but then you would be having mental breakdowns all the time and despair.

      Its about self-preservation. And if you deny that to yourself… well, good luck in the real world out there, you will need it.

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        Thanks, because that’s how we should behave, not only towards humans but non-humans as well(, and it’s easier to care about humans as a whole once you care about non-humans b.t.w.).

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          , and it’s easier to care about humans as a whole once you care about non-humans b.t.w.).

          citation needed

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            What i meant in my previous comment didn’t took into account the propaganda about other humans being evil, the logic was that once you refuse to kill a non-human it’s easier to refuse killing a human, and once you have non-humans it’s easier to accept the thought of having human slaves.
            And it has to be sincere, i believe non-humans to be better than us, in enough ways for me to sincerely admire them.
            But we may indeed still hate other humans because they’re evil and we’re liberating their population, or ourselves, yet every conflict could have been avoided if both sides agreed to unite in diversity, i don’t see an exception to this rule. And we’re still nowadays attributing the roles of good//evil instead of seeking solutions to please both sides(, usually because the strongest side, very often the west, refuses to change or make concessions).
            It’s not that world peace is difficult, but that our refusal of unity is difficult to overturn, we(sterners) are the f*cking prime wagers of death&destruction, didn’t know that ten years ago.

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              It’s not that world peace is difficult,

              It absolutely is. The Human factor is too insurmountable.

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                That’s a topic i love and i don’t often have the possibility to see someone not thinking it is possible(, i’ve never met someone arguing that it is not desirable).
                If you pointed at our arrogant/selfish desire to be “on top” of the other, then my answer would be to explain why everyone would gain and be more powerful if we’re united, and it must be lonely at the top, with only one culture, if we have friendly countries who are really different in many domains then it’s better to be friends with equals, we have to think of infallible measures against treason but that’s not impossible.

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                    • We can harmoniously be united in diversity ;
                    • We can be united without diversity ;
                    • Or we can be disunited in diversity.

                    I obviously choose the first option, you’ll probably agree with me, but our western leaders somehow prefer the second one, and they’re the ones with the power to improve things.