• spacecadet@lemm.ee
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    10 months ago

    Indigenous land is a tough one. If you stick with that, Israel is just taking their land back, and right wing European politicians have the moral high ground.

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      10 months ago

      Israel is just taking their land back

      How on earth did you get to that conclusion

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        10 months ago

        I’m not saying I really agree with the position, but I’ll explain what I think they meant for you. It was Jewish ‘holy land’ well before it was Christian or Islamic holy land seeing as Christianity and Islam weren’t even made up until many hundreds of years later.

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      10 months ago

      With that same logic, the American settlers are just “second wave native Americans”. Of course one can argue that Jews always lived at the area of Palestine/Israel, but currently Israel is the aggressor, even if the actions of Hamas are very immoral.

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        10 months ago

        Don’t be silly. There were lots of waves of migrants before European settlers of America. They’d be more than the 2nd wave. 😉

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        Saying Hamas is immoral is an isreali propaganda win. Hamas are freedom fighters and isreal have been commiting atrocities fo the palistinians for more than half a century. Do you think palistinians don’t have the right to fight for freedom ? Read about the history of any colonized nation. The colonizer always called the native freedom fighters as terrorists/ committing barbaric act towards the peaceful colonizer that just want to steal the land and resources and casually commit genocide when the native insurge after the colonizers commit yet another heinous act towards them. Read the history of colonized and see the truth. Fighting for freedom is a right !

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          10 months ago

          It is atrocious that this trope is running rounds even with people on here. Idiots and people falling for propaganda are calling Hamas terrorists. If not for them for the past couple decades, Palestine would have not existed by now.

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            That’s the fruit of the hardcore isreali propaganda system. Don’t blame them for falling for Isreal lies, guide them to the truth. Telling people that calling the other side freedom fighters/ warriors as barbaric /terrorists is as old as history itself put it into perspective for them and allow them to see it for what it is : propaganda used to delegitimize the palistinians fight for freedom.

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          10 months ago

          Hamas is radical Islamic terrorist organization, even Palestinians agree on that

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            Repeat it in your head as much as you want buddy. I will always fight your bullshit tho. Hamas are palistinians fighting the colonizer. Hamas are freedom fighters.

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              10 months ago

              Is there anything Hamas could do that you feel would be ‘too far’ or that fundamentally impossible from your perspective due to them being the victims of colonization?

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          10 months ago

          Let’s get one thing straight, Germany was not liberated, it was defeated.

          Of course we can say not all… But that’s a sociological tautology.

          It’s exactly this kind of west = good silent premise that’s making us miss what’s beginning to brew over there again now that things are getting tough. Just like it did last time.

          I’m not saying Germans are evil, but we need to be careful with this kind of subtle revisionism. I suspect you didn’t even say it intentionally - it’s just a phrase that’s often used around you, and that’s what makes it doubly dangerous.

          Nothing against you man, I’m just a tad disenchanted with the current state of things is all.

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            10 months ago

            You totally missing my point. Who was aggressor in WW2? Were allies aggressors when they entered with military force (have no idea what word to use, since you do not like liberated) into Germany?

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              Not missing it, just not addressing it. The topic wasn’t of particular interest from that angle. Not to me anyway.

              It’s not that I dislike the word liberated, it’s that it’s completely inaccurate in this case, and those kinds of inaccuracies do have consequences, however slight at first.

              Defeated is a good word. Invaded is another. Liberated isn’t.