Indigenous land is a tough one. If you stick with that, Israel is just taking their land back, and right wing European politicians have the moral high ground.
With that same logic, the American settlers are just “second wave native Americans”. Of course one can argue that Jews always lived at the area of Palestine/Israel, but currently Israel is the aggressor, even if the actions of Hamas are very immoral.
So, Allies we’re aggressors when they were liberating Germany in WW2?
Let’s get one thing straight, Germany was not liberated, it was defeated.
Of course we can say not all… But that’s a sociological tautology.
It’s exactly this kind of west = good silent premise that’s making us miss what’s beginning to brew over there again now that things are getting tough. Just like it did last time.
I’m not saying Germans are evil, but we need to be careful with this kind of subtle revisionism. I suspect you didn’t even say it intentionally - it’s just a phrase that’s often used around you, and that’s what makes it doubly dangerous.
Nothing against you man, I’m just a tad disenchanted with the current state of things is all.
You totally missing my point. Who was aggressor in WW2? Were allies aggressors when they entered with military force (have no idea what word to use, since you do not like liberated) into Germany?
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Not missing it, just not addressing it. The topic wasn’t of particular interest from that angle. Not to me anyway.
It’s not that I dislike the word liberated, it’s that it’s completely inaccurate in this case, and those kinds of inaccuracies do have consequences, however slight at first.
Defeated is a good word. Invaded is another. Liberated isn’t.
Saying Hamas is immoral is an isreali propaganda win. Hamas are freedom fighters and isreal have been commiting atrocities fo the palistinians for more than half a century. Do you think palistinians don’t have the right to fight for freedom ? Read about the history of any colonized nation. The colonizer always called the native freedom fighters as terrorists/ committing barbaric act towards the peaceful colonizer that just want to steal the land and resources and casually commit genocide when the native insurge after the colonizers commit yet another heinous act towards them. Read the history of colonized and see the truth. Fighting for freedom is a right !
It is atrocious that this trope is running rounds even with people on here. Idiots and people falling for propaganda are calling Hamas terrorists. If not for them for the past couple decades, Palestine would have not existed by now.
That’s the fruit of the hardcore isreali propaganda system. Don’t blame them for falling for Isreal lies, guide them to the truth. Telling people that calling the other side freedom fighters/ warriors as barbaric /terrorists is as old as history itself put it into perspective for them and allow them to see it for what it is : propaganda used to delegitimize the palistinians fight for freedom.
Hamas is radical Islamic terrorist organization, even Palestinians agree on that
Repeat it in your head as much as you want buddy. I will always fight your bullshit tho. Hamas are palistinians fighting the colonizer. Hamas are freedom fighters.
Is there anything Hamas could do that you feel would be ‘too far’ or that fundamentally impossible from your perspective due to them being the victims of colonization?
Don’t be silly. There were lots of waves of migrants before European settlers of America. They’d be more than the 2nd wave. 😉
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Israel is just taking their land back
How on earth did you get to that conclusion
I’m not saying I really agree with the position, but I’ll explain what I think they meant for you. It was Jewish ‘holy land’ well before it was Christian or Islamic holy land seeing as Christianity and Islam weren’t even made up until many hundreds of years later.
I discovered one lighter that no one will steal from me. They’ll give it back to me a week later when we run into each other. It’s a Toronto Maple Leafs lighter. I buy them whenever I see them now.
Someone left their lighter at a house party we had. “Donnie’s fucking lighter” was professionally printed on it. I have so much respect for Donnie.
This is the time to say it - the two objects in the image are examples of great design. The best design.
Not just the surplus value, the actual value, too, through Wage Theft!
So basically, time and space.
Lol where’d the only interesting comment chain in this thread go? I thought this was supposed to be not like reddit, but are we deleting entire threads of civil discussion now without even acknowledging it?
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Hmm ty. Not sure if my ‘sync’ app is glitching or something. But the upvotes I received make me inclined to think I’m not the only one who had that specific chain disappear all of the sudden.
Edit: K so they were deleted as suspected. But why? While some people disagreed with each other, it was a civil discussion with the intention of providing a solution to a real issue. Very concerning such a thing would get deleted at all.
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Ahhh kk gotcha. Seems like just displaying [deleted by user] for that initial comment across all clients would make things a lot more clear.
I’m in KBin and have the same thread but with the first comment that it seems you don’t have.
It reads “Indigenous land is a tough one. If you stick with that, Israel is just taking their land back, and right wing European politicians have the moral high ground.”
It seems as though everyone one Lemmy is even more retarded than reddit.
