I mean, arguably one could make a standard based on animal intelligence. Like, dogs are fairly smart, so one could argue that raising them for meat in farm conditions isn’t very ethical, and similarly, farming something like, say, a dolphin, might be even worse if someone was to do that, but then that farming much more simple minded creatures like shrimp, bees, mealworms etc would be much more acceptable. A standard like that still wouldn’t reflect well on most animal agriculture though given that most meat animals are mammals and birds, which can be reasonably intelligent, especially pigs to my understanding. Though I suppose the conditions of the farm matter too, like, sheep kept on adequate grazing land for their wool probably don’t have too bad a life as far as farm animals go, and it’s probably possible if more expensive and less land efficient to get milk and eggs from cows/goats and chickens in a reasonably humane way too, since those products don’t inherently require raising the animal just to kill it.
Well the dog farmers hang, burn, and beat the shit out of the dogs before they kill them because they believe the fear and adrenaline improves the taste and makes them more tender…so yes I’d say it’s worse.
It is, but most of the actual killing in like 90% of the world is done as fast and cleanly as possible. If only to keep the process as efficient as possible.
Fun fact, if you want ethically killed meat (if such a thing can exist), the best option is actually Kosher meat. There are religious laws and such, and the easiest way to comply with them is a sort of guillotine. It’s an instant death.
The animals of also generally better treated than most factory farm setups.
Similar, but in practice it’s quite a bit different.
Halal requires a swift cut with a sharp knife across the throat of the animal. Severing the spine is expressly forbidden.
The animal then bleeds out, which can still be a quick death, but nowhere near as fast as decapitation, which is most commonly used in kosher butchery.
The bolt pistol used in modern butchery can also be instant. You place what looks like a pneumatic drill on the cow’s forehead, and then pull the trigger. It fires a stainless steel rod forward into the cow’s skull. The rod is captive at the end of its travel, so you just have to cock the tool, and you can use it again (provided it’s actually pneumatically powered, and not powered by a blank round, or something else, there are a lot of versions, even some that are designed to not penetrate the skull.)
Now I’m not finding a source for the guillotine machine… I’ve seen one in person, and it had a spinning disc blade, because there are Jewish dietary laws that say you can’t press the blade into the neck, it must be a slice.
It might also have been a case of an enterprising butcher being inventive and sidestepping the rules…
“Yeah, they spent their entire lives packed like sardines sitting in their own shit because they’re too fat to stand and never see the light of day. But at least they were killed humanely!”
The cognitive dissonance among meat-eaters is worse than that of conservatives. You people are a shining example of how ‘rational’ thinkers will become irrational at the drop of a hat if that’s what their peers are doing.
Autonomy just isn’t a valuable trait these days. We pride ourselves on being stupid and ignorant if that’s what makes us fit in. Then we get mad at anyone who calls it out, lol. Useful idiots are the norm.
The way you communicate your point is as important and the message itself. I stopped eating meat myself many years ago and really despise the meat industry, but unless we stop attacking meat eater and find a better way to communicate our ethical, environmental and health concerns we will not be able to change anybody’s behavior.
but unless we stop attacking meat eater and find a better way to communicate our ethical, environmental and health concerns we will not be able to change anybody’s behavior.
Sorry, people don’t want to change unless they have to. My goal also isn’t to get people to change. Simply exposing them to the knowledge that they’re delusional hypocrites is enough for me.
Trying to change people is usually an act in futility. You’ll understand when you’re older.
A 90% figure that is pulled out of your ass sounds a lot less compelling when billions of animals are slaughtered for food each year. How many is too many? And the killing isn’t even the worst part.
It’s a weird dynamic. I feel no remorse eating pork or beef. I know the process, I raised farm animals as a kid. BUT, I know someone working on genetically modified pigs for human organ transplants and that makes me somehow uneasy.
“dog farmers”, holy shit :(
Is that any worse than any other animal being farmed?
I mean, arguably one could make a standard based on animal intelligence. Like, dogs are fairly smart, so one could argue that raising them for meat in farm conditions isn’t very ethical, and similarly, farming something like, say, a dolphin, might be even worse if someone was to do that, but then that farming much more simple minded creatures like shrimp, bees, mealworms etc would be much more acceptable. A standard like that still wouldn’t reflect well on most animal agriculture though given that most meat animals are mammals and birds, which can be reasonably intelligent, especially pigs to my understanding. Though I suppose the conditions of the farm matter too, like, sheep kept on adequate grazing land for their wool probably don’t have too bad a life as far as farm animals go, and it’s probably possible if more expensive and less land efficient to get milk and eggs from cows/goats and chickens in a reasonably humane way too, since those products don’t inherently require raising the animal just to kill it.
Well the dog farmers hang, burn, and beat the shit out of the dogs before they kill them because they believe the fear and adrenaline improves the taste and makes them more tender…so yes I’d say it’s worse.
Pigs, cows, and chickens also experience incredible suffering in factory farms. The whole industry is rotted.
It is, but most of the actual killing in like 90% of the world is done as fast and cleanly as possible. If only to keep the process as efficient as possible.
Fun fact, if you want ethically killed meat (if such a thing can exist), the best option is actually Kosher meat. There are religious laws and such, and the easiest way to comply with them is a sort of guillotine. It’s an instant death.
The animals of also generally better treated than most factory farm setups.
I think halal follows a lot of the same rules as well
Similar, but in practice it’s quite a bit different.
Halal requires a swift cut with a sharp knife across the throat of the animal. Severing the spine is expressly forbidden.
The animal then bleeds out, which can still be a quick death, but nowhere near as fast as decapitation, which is most commonly used in kosher butchery.
The bolt pistol used in modern butchery can also be instant. You place what looks like a pneumatic drill on the cow’s forehead, and then pull the trigger. It fires a stainless steel rod forward into the cow’s skull. The rod is captive at the end of its travel, so you just have to cock the tool, and you can use it again (provided it’s actually pneumatically powered, and not powered by a blank round, or something else, there are a lot of versions, even some that are designed to not penetrate the skull.)
https://oukosher.org/blog/news/setting-the-record-straight-on-kosher-slaughter/
This says they don’t, it’s not gospel but, it’s one of the first results.
Not fighting, I just looked more into it because I am that special kind of crazy
I look that sort of stuff up myself.
Now I’m not finding a source for the guillotine machine… I’ve seen one in person, and it had a spinning disc blade, because there are Jewish dietary laws that say you can’t press the blade into the neck, it must be a slice.
It might also have been a case of an enterprising butcher being inventive and sidestepping the rules…
What about their living conditions?
“Yeah, they spent their entire lives packed like sardines sitting in their own shit because they’re too fat to stand and never see the light of day. But at least they were killed humanely!”
The cognitive dissonance among meat-eaters is worse than that of conservatives. You people are a shining example of how ‘rational’ thinkers will become irrational at the drop of a hat if that’s what their peers are doing.
Autonomy just isn’t a valuable trait these days. We pride ourselves on being stupid and ignorant if that’s what makes us fit in. Then we get mad at anyone who calls it out, lol. Useful idiots are the norm.
The way you communicate your point is as important and the message itself. I stopped eating meat myself many years ago and really despise the meat industry, but unless we stop attacking meat eater and find a better way to communicate our ethical, environmental and health concerns we will not be able to change anybody’s behavior.
Sorry, people don’t want to change unless they have to. My goal also isn’t to get people to change. Simply exposing them to the knowledge that they’re delusional hypocrites is enough for me.
Trying to change people is usually an act in futility. You’ll understand when you’re older.
For that they’ll need to stop considering themselves as better than others first.
A 90% figure that is pulled out of your ass sounds a lot less compelling when billions of animals are slaughtered for food each year. How many is too many? And the killing isn’t even the worst part.
It’s a weird dynamic. I feel no remorse eating pork or beef. I know the process, I raised farm animals as a kid. BUT, I know someone working on genetically modified pigs for human organ transplants and that makes me somehow uneasy.
Frankly that sounds like the sort of bullshit I’d hear from Greenpeace.
Even if that were true, have you seen say a chicken farm? Workers will cruelly abuse the ever living shit out of these animals for no reason.
I wouldn’t say it’s worse than…
https://www.news.com.au/technology/science/animals/secret-video-reveals-horrific-abuse-of-hens-inside-victorian-egg-farm/news-story/dd429e36eb2e210fc702c78663f6961d?amp
I was stationed in South Korea and saw them with my own eyeballs but you can believe whatever you like.
Completely ignored this part, as expected.
I grew up in farmland. I’ve seen numerous animals killed. We didn’t beat our goats before we killed them. Same with our chickens.
Yes
You’re a hypocrite
Okay.
No. Don’t be a hypocrite.