• Doorbook@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    “Through history?” seems like you’re implying Israel has committed genocide in the past. Perhaps you’re thinking of Palestinian forces?

    I am not implying, I am stating they did because it is there in wikipedia if you care to look for it…

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        1 year ago

        No way! , you were focused enough to find article that supports your points of view but cannot find, in the same website, articles, that doesn’t support your points of view?

        At least don’t play ignorance in the internet is not worth it.

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          All I see via google is a wikipedia article about, “Palestinean genocide accusation.”

          Those who believe Israel’s actions constitute genocide typically point to the phenomena of anti-Palestinianism, Islamophobia, anti-Arab racism in Israeli society, and they cite the Nakba, the Sabra and Shatila massacre, the blockade of the Gaza Strip, the 2014 Gaza War and the 2023 Israel–Hamas war as material instantiations of genocide.
          International law and genocide scholars have accused Israeli officials of using dehumanizing language. During the 2023 Israel-Hamas war, historian of genocide Omer Bartov warned that statements made by top Israeli officials “could easily be construed as indicating a genocidal intent.”
          Israel, the United States, the Anti-Defamation League and other organizations, and some law and genocide scholars have rejected the assertion that Israel is engaging in genocide. While some scholars describe Palestinians as victims of genocide, others argue they are not victims of genocide, but rather of ethnic cleansing, politicide, spaciocide, cultural genocide or similar; still others argue that none of these have occurred.

          This is hardly conclusive, very refutable, and certainly not as compelling an example of genocide as the above. I had hoped you had better evidence. I can see why you didn’t cite this.

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            Well good job, now you got some incident we need to get to the next stage.

            You have a piece of fact about civilians being shot throughout different periods of time.

            You need to research what constitutes a genocidal act, what constitutes a massacre, and finally find out if these incident were or were not conform to the definition.

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              Apparently there is no consensus among experts regarding this, and I am no expert, but based on what I’ve read any such definitions applied to Israel depend on treating an actively belligerent nation like an ethnic group. I believe this is inappropriate.

              The holocaust was a genocide because Germans intended to wipe out an ethnic group. Israel may be killing a lot of Palestinians but they are not trying to collectively destroy Arabs. They are acting in self-defense retaliating against a hostile nation that intends to commit genocide against Jews, (yet again.) If destroying a national group in whole or in part in defense while they are actively trying to kill you is a genocide, that makes just about every defensive military action in history count as genocide.

              What I see here is defense against genocidal groups being unfairly and inaccurately described as genocide itself. But again, I am no expert.