• No1@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    This isn’t what genocide looks like. This is what war looks like. Specifically, what it looks like when you start a war with a country more powerful than you. The amount of leftists supporting this unbelievably conservative Hamas regime that would love nothing more than for all leftists everywhere to be dead is insane to me.

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      Specifically, what it looks like when you start a war with a country more powerful than you.

      This is where you lose me. What percentage of Gaza’s population “started” the war?

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        Yeah, that’s how war works. The leadership (in this case one chosen by the people) chooses on behalf of their people. That’s how pretty much every war ever has been. How ignorant must you be to not understand that? War sucks. But this isn’t some unique case. Other than the greater-than-normal effort the IDF is making to reduce civilian casualties. That’s not usually something that has historically been cared about much in war.

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          Yeah, that’s how war works. The leadership (in this case one chosen by the people) chooses on behalf of their people.

          The last election in Gaza was in 2006. About half of the population wasn’t even alive. Did they really choose this?

          Yeah, that’s how war works.

          So collective punishment of the civilian population is part of all war, in your view? Including cutting off food and water?

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            You’re calling it collective punishment, but that’s already using a very ignorant term for what’s happening. Yes. In war, it’s super common for civilian populations to lose their homes, lose access to food and water supplies, etc. Have you literally ever read a book about any modern war, or watched a documentary on any modern war?

            If Hamas had spent any of the aid they’ve received over the decades on building infrastructure and a better life for the Palestinians rather than on stockpiling weapons under hospitals, mosques, and schools, we wouldn’t even be in this situation.

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              Yes. In war, it’s super common for civilian populations to lose their homes, lose access to food and water supplies, etc

              This isn’t quite the same though is it? Food, water and essential supplies were purposefully cut off.

              You didn’t answer this part: given the fact that the last election was 2006 and about half of the population wasn’t even alive, did they really choose this?

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                That’s called a blockade. It’s been happening forever. And every poll shows a huge majority support among Palestinians for Hamas (including their actions on Oct. 7). Do you honestly think this group of Palestinians wouldn’t reelect them if a vote was held today? They hate Jews. Always have. Always will.

                For some reason you people ignore every other actual atrocity going on in the world to hate the Jews even harder. 2 million Uyghurs dead at China’s hand? No outrage. Jews get attacked and raped and respond? Total outrage and claims of genocide.

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                  That’s called a blockade. It’s been happening forever.

                  No not that, this

                  Do you honestly think this group of Palestinians wouldn’t reelect them if a vote was held today?

                  We don’t know, do we? Because there has been no election. On October 6th a poll of Gazans did not support your conclusion: here Afterwards it gets a bit complicated because there is a “rally round the flag” effect that tends to increase support for current governments in war.

                  The point is that they do not currently have a democratic mandate.

                  For some reason you people ignore every other actual atrocity going on in the world to hate the Jews even harder. 2 million Uyghurs dead at China’s hand? No outrage.

                  Absolutely there is outrage! I don’t know what media you’re reading but maybe have a look around!

                  And “You people”? Lol.

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      “This isn’t what genocide looks like” said No1 who seems to be experts in international laws while blaming children for being born in the wrong place at the wrong time.

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        I did no such thing. But, that’s how war works. Every war has innocent civilian casualties.

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      No one is supporting Hamas . Israel is using the attack that happ in Oct as an excuse to kill thousands of civilians. They are killing 90% civilians and last numbers I saw had over 10000 dead children. Are they all those kids terrorist ?

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        I mean, the vast majority of Palestinians are supporting Hamas, so not exactly nobody. And Israel is using the start of a war on October 7th to win the war. Again, this is how war works.

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      I partially agree with you. Palestinians are stupid because they think repeated attacks will change anything. Israelis are stupid because they believe their brutal responses will end terrorism.

      And both have been doing this BS for 75 years.