According to Pramila Patten, the Under-Secretary-General of the United Nations and Special Envoy for Sexual Violence in Conflicts, she has been unable to sleep for a week since viewing the 47-minute video compiled by the IDF of the atrocities committed on October 7. The scenes continue to haunt her. “Only after I saw the video did I understand things that I didn’t understand before in terms of the magnitude of the disaster that happened.”
“Patten’s visit was especially important to us so that there would be international recognition of the suffering and the horrendous sexual crimes committed against Israeli women and girls on October 7 by the monsters of Hamas,” Erdan said. “It is equally important for the world to understand who we are fighting against. The disregard and indifference demonstrated by the UN and its women’s organization is a disgrace that cannot be allowed to continue.”
Paten will depart on Monday, at the conclusion of an intense 8-day visit. Throughout her stay, she gathered evidence of the incidents of sexual and gender-based violence perpetrated by the terrorists.
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So sick of hearing how bad October 7th was. We fucking get it by now. It changes nothing. Israel has proven itself to be far worse. If Israel believes escalation is the answer I’ll be more than satisfied to see them take that seriously and allow Gaza to bomb Israel for the next four months, systematic rape torture and execute the Israeli men women and children. After all this is their idea of justice so let them experience justice.
Edit: You guys really need to work on reading comprehension.
What you’re showing with this comment of yours is that you only care about people suffering in Gaza, but not Israel, to the point that you wish suffering upon innocents who just happen to be born on the wrong side of the border. How is that okay?
No idea how you jumped to that conclusion but okay.
You’re free to clear things up if you don’t want it to be understood that way.
People are saying Israel is justified in escalating the conflict after October 7th. They’re saying escalation in response to attacks is justified.
The poster you’re replying to is saying that, since people are making the argument that “escalations are justified”, they should be consistent and fair with their stance.
To be consistent and fair with the stance that “escalations are justified”, Palestine/Hamas escalating the conflict would also be justified.
So if Hamas started bombing Israel, that would be justified under that se argument that “escalations are justified”.
The problem is that (as the other commenter is alluding to), nobody is making the argument that “escalations in response to an attack is justified”. They’re really saying “only Israel is allowed to escalate the conflict”.
Which is a stupid argument when revealed for what it really means. It’s just dressed up in a way that sounds nice. “Escalations are only fair after a brutal attack” is just another kind of “All lives matter”*. Sounds nice, but the underlying motive is bad or unsound.
You have to thank the 10/7 truthers for that. For those tinfoil hat folks “nothing happened on October 7th”, “there was no rape”, “Hamas are heroes”, and we have many, many of these 10/7 deniers on Lemmy that are amplifying the disgusting “believe all women, except Israelis”. It is important to remind that the rapes happened, that Hamas is not a “resistance movement” but merely a bunch of rapists and terrorists, and most importantly that rape is not resistance.
Okay, we’re gonna need to take a sec to thread the needle here.
First, @ski11erboi@lemm.ee , I don’t know your politics, but if you think you care about Palestinians, ask yourself how dreaming of reciprocity is of any use to them. They’re being genocided. We need a ceasefire. More violence towards Israeli civilians is not only senselessly barbaric, it belies, imo, a lack of actual care for Gazaans as people, rather than a concept. They need rescued, NOW, not dreams of dead Israeli children to balance some scale. Get your focus straight, or otherwise please have nothing to do with the movement to liberate Palestine.
Moving on: @AlmightySnoo@lemmy.world. You are correct that rape is not resistance. However what we’re getting lost in here is a narrative. The “Hamas are all just a bunch of rapists” trope is a cudgel to distract from a holistic understanding of the situation.
The first reality is that there is not a distinct good-guy side and bad-guy side. There are a lot militants, and a lot of civilians, and a very complicated chain of responsibility for the myriad of atrocities that have happened.
There is a lot of myth-making that has taken place regarding Oct. 7 in multiple directions. The extent of barabarism – babies in ovens, babies beheaded, pregnant women cut open, systemic rape – has been found misleading or fabricated multiple times, by the Israeli military and government as part of an international campaign of propaganda. Similarly, it is obvious – as the comment at the start of this chain shows – that a lot of really confused people have seemed to embrace a fiction that Hamas operates under ethical restrictions. They don’t. And also, as a loose insurgent militia, it’s very hard to distinguish the actions that can be attributed to Hamas as a formal organization versus random acts of violence carried out by unaffiliated lone-wolf terrorists and militants.
So let’s bring this in to a conclusion: we need to cherish life. We need to scream for a stop to the massacring that is taking place – currently mostly by Israel towards Palestinians, but all violence regardless – and begin holding all the people in charge responsible. The US must stop sending weapons used in documented war crimes to ANYONE. We need to restore access to food to a population of millions of civilians that are STARVING TO DEATH.
None of this is “pro-Hamas” or “pro-Israel” or “anti-Palestine” or “anti-Israel”. We need to stop blowing up civilians, we need to feed the dying and administer medical care. And we need to break through the distractions and point at Benjamin Netanyahu, Yahah Sinwar, Joe Biden, Itmar Ben-Gvir, Besalel Smotrich, and all the rest of the violent genocidal masterminds and say “YOU! You are responsible for this.”
The only people currently winning are the extremists on all sides at the moment.
https://mondoweiss.net/2024/02/we-deserve-the-truth-about-what-happened-on-october-7/
You were on point until the Mondoweiss link at the end. They’re a low credibility site and are pretty much banned from here.
To be clear, you aren’t wrong, you can find a better supporting link. Replace that and we’re good.
Oh hoho you’re not deleting the post and instantly banning them?
Nope, other than the mondoweiss link, there’s nothing actionable.
If they had submitted it as a post, it would be removed under rule 3, but rule 3 is not an instant ban offense.
Their MBFC rating: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/mondoweiss/
Even Wikipedia consider that Nazi Hamas outlet biased and opinionated: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources
Be better.
You guys really need to work on reading comprehension. I never advocated for anything. All I said is that is if Israel believes their response to October 7th is fair, then it’s only fair that the same is done to them in return. That is the world they want to live in. I personally would never retaliate but my comment was not about how I would handle the situation so please don’t assume you know how I wish things to play out.