• gun@lemmy.ml
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        10 months ago

        “Certified nationalist” comes from Al Jazeera. He was a straight up Nazi, and Russia has claimed its goal is denazification after the Nazis killed 40 million of their people in living memory and there are somehow still people there who think Nazi ideas are good, they have no excuse. Who knows the circumstances of how he died, but lets not forget the CIA tried to kill Julian Assange, that’s a confirmed fact about the US empire. The US empire will murder not to protect their people from Nazi thugs but to preserve their tyranny while Russia protects people like Snowden.

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          10 months ago

          Russia justified the invasion of Ukraine with “denazification”. So, I don’t care what Russia thinks about it. It’s probably 60% bullshit and 40% propaganda.

          And what is that whataboutism about the US and Assange? I’m not even from the USA, in case you thought that…

          And even more whataboutism about Snowden?

          Must be hard for you to just write something about the death of Nawalny without focussing 90% of the text on the Vietnam war, 9/11 and the moon landing…

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            10 months ago

            It’s hardly a whataboutism if I’m simply pointing out the selective outrage that give people a skewed and one-sided view of reality. I wouldn’t have to bring up Assange if people gave him half as much attention, something that could actually help lead to his freedom and do something instead of demonizing happenings you have no control over aside from starting WW3.

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      10 months ago

      but he doesn’t like Putin so he must be a great flawless person who can never be critisiced

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        10 months ago

        I get your point. He is a bad guy, so we should focus on that, rather than the fact that he probably was poisoned for the second time by a political opponent.

        We should for sure upvote this article about a video from 17 years ago…

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          Guy bad, so we must kill /s

          And these bloodthirsty tankies dare call leftists warmongers for not siding with Putler’s Russia in Ukraine…

          That’s one thing the bourgeois democracies in the West get right: dissidents shouldn’t be jailed and killed, even though it has happened in the past. If you can’t guarantee that, fuck your whacky “socialism with Chinese caracteristics”, cosplay communist.

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            10 months ago

            Wow you made quite a stretch from what I actually said. Try to understand nuance, politics isn’t always black and white. People who criticise one thing don’t have to support the biggest alternative

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            10 months ago

            Guy bad, so we must kill

            Strawman argument. Can’t expect better.

            Also, I don’t see any sympathy among liberals for Julian Assange, who’s a jounalist and a legitimate political prisoner.

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              It’s not a strawman, it’s an obvious exaggeration to mock OP’s positions as being primitive. Stop using debatebro vocabulary you don’t understand. Try having an original thought.

              About Julian Assange, despite the guy being kind of a dipshit, he has my sympathies, and I hope he’ll be judged properly. I also hope the US will someday get better whistleblower laws. Because it hurts people doing good and brave work.

              Chelsea Manning is out of prison alive and transitioned (wouldn’t have happened in Russia). Snowden was exiled, but didn’t drink polonium tea or spend a day in prison. Both of these guys blatantly broke the law, however bad the law is. It’s not laws that were invented to jail them. They weren’t jailed just for “vibes”.

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          I wasn’t saying him dying was good, but I was saying that the people acting like he is some kind of perfect hero are ignorant and deserve to be called out on it

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        10 months ago

        Yet Navalny’s more nationalist views are troubling. Last year he spoke at the Russky Marsh, where some protesters made Nazi salutes. He has also endorsed a movement called Enough of Feeding the Caucasus, which protests against the theft of state funding but which critics see as xenophobic. And a video that Navalny recorded for Narod several years ago called for arming the population to shoot Chechen bandits.

        https://www.theguardian.com/theguardian/2012/jan/15/alexei-navalny-profile-vladimir-putin

        Seems like a cool fella. RIP.

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          A sane country doesn’t jail and assassinate dissidents for being dissidents. That’s what’s being criticized here. But, I’ll admit, this guy’s not exactly someone I’d have dined with. Not exactly a surprise to me, but maybe some people didn’t already know.

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      Seems your comment is pretty negatively reviewed but I’d love to hear the arguments against it. I’m gonna withhold my vote until maybe doing some light investigation later when I’m not busy.

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        Smearing Navalny’s name is inappropriate when the bigger-picture thing the article gives is that, in 2024, a political dissident died in a gulag, which is the real news here.

        Even worse: if you consider where we are, it could also have been an attempt to spread the narrative that he deserved to die, which is disgusting. But let’s not assume the worst.

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          The truth is the truth, a political dissident died under suspicious circumstances and said dissent had some (pretty) unsavory political views. Doesn’t mean Putin is a good guy.

          What I find inappropriate is that western media willingly completely ignore Navalnys actual politics in a ploy to get one over on Putin. How about just reporting the facts for once instead of being a blind propaganda machine.

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              Western propaganda (mostly) doesn’t work via straight up lying or omitting the truth, it works by choosing what is amplified. And for the past 10 years the story around Navalny was that he was the liberal opposition leader, and once in power Russia would be a good™️country. I think given what we know of his actual activism and statements it would have been a lateral move at best.

              That doesn’t mean political murder is a good thing, it just means (to my best estimation) it’s a power struggle between to highly questionable politicians and one of them won.

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                Western propaganda (mostly) doesn’t work via straight up lying or omitting the truth, it works by choosing what is amplified.

                Since you’re singling western propaganda out, is that somehow different from how non-western propaganda, like Russian or Chinese, works?

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                  Chinees and Russian propaganda needs to resort to direct censoring more often because they are not culturally powerful enough to control the narrative so there are subtle differences.

                  But my point wasn’t about Russian or Chinese propaganda, it was about the fact that our image of Navalny is a construct of a western propaganda effort to create division in Russia.

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                    it was about the fact that our image of Navalny is a construct of a western propaganda effort to create division in Russia.

                    He was one of the most visible and charismatic opposition leaders in Russia. That’s not just western invention.