• Flying Squid@lemmy.world
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      6 months ago

      I’d say the U.S. not offering Israel any more support until they open the borders to aid would go a long way to solving things.

      But apparently that’s going way beyond the pale.

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        6 months ago

        And how exactly will that put food in the hands of the starving Palestinians?

        Again with the “if it’s not perfect, it’s not worth doing” bullshit I’m so tired of hearing about this conflict.

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          6 months ago

          Sorry… how will letting aid trucks into Gaza put food in the hands of starving Palestinians?

          You know what aid trucks are, right?

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            6 months ago

            You can’t be dense enough to believe that if the US stops sending Isreal aid, that suddenly Isreal will suddenly magically be completely disarmed, and aid trucks will suddenly be able to move freely. Aid trucks aren’t even on the table.

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                6 months ago

                And what other conclusion is there to your answers?

                Me: How would YOU put food into Palestinian hands?

                You: Stop sending aid to Isreal.

                Me: How does that put food in Palestinian hands?

                You: Aid trucks

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                  6 months ago

                  If that was what I said, you would be right. However, this is what I said:

                  I’d say the U.S. not offering Israel any more support until they open the borders to aid would go a long way to solving things.

                  I’m not sure why you think that sort of thing doesn’t motivate a country we’re giving billions of dollars in aid to, but it does.

                  However, this is what you said in response:

                  You can’t be dense enough to believe that if the US stops sending Isreal aid, that suddenly Isreal will suddenly magically be completely disarmed, and aid trucks will suddenly be able to move freely. Aid trucks aren’t even on the table.

                  I said nothing about disarming Israel. And I know aid trucks are not on the table, because no one is motivating Israel to put them on the table. Again, withholding the billions of dollars in money and weapons we’re sending to Israel would go a long way to getting them to let aid trucks in to feed people. You seem to be suggesting that not sending them more weapons than they already have is disarming them. Which it is not.

                  Or are you saying Israel doesn’t need American money and weapons anyway? Then maybe America should just stop giving them money and weapons regardless.

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                    6 months ago

                    My point is that stopping aid to Isreal won’t put food in Palestinian bellies any time soon. And when they’re starving right now, it’s a useless gesture.

                    Actually doing what CAN be done right now, which is bypassing land chokepoints by building a non-perfect dock to offload millions of lbs of food, is the best solution I’ve heard of thus far, to actually stave off the immediate problem of starvation.

                    I’m not saying I approve of continuing to send military aid to Isreal. We can attack this from multiple fronts, but getting food and medical aid into Gaza is the most urgent need. And I don’t find your efforts to undermine the most effective, if flawed, means of getting those supplies into Gaza to be helping the Palestinian’s plight in the slightest.

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            6 months ago

            Look we either spend a billion a year rebuilding this thing or we start looking for actual solutions to the problems we’ve caused. Do you want that? I thought so.