- Ukraine destroyed columns of waiting Russian soldiers with HIMARS, a Ukrainian commander said.
- He said Ukraine targeted them as soon as it got permission to use allied weapons across the border.
- Military experts say Ukraine’s ability to use Western-supplied weapons in Russia is aiding its fightback.
How close to the port is that beach?
Proximity doesn’t matter, the beach is in the flight path so it could be anywhere between the launching point of the missile and the target
How close to the military bases were those Kibbutzes?
What does the proximity of the kibbutzes to Israeli military bases have to do with anything? Did Hamas accidentally murder civilians in their homes while trying to go after legit targets?
“Oops, we missed the military base and accidentally cut this old guys head off with a garden hoe and machine gunned some families hiding in their homes! Honest mistake!”
The guy said “I hope Russian civilians see the horrors of war”
And using cluster munitions is banned. Did Ukraine oopsie a wrong rocket? Honest mistake!
TFW you don’t know how treaties work
So if israel kills Palestinian civilians… first does Hamas get the right to kill israelis indiscriminately?
You don’t know how international law works. Cluster munitions are banned. But sure keep on defending civilians being killed. Just a very reasonable person on Lemmy defending the killing of Russian civilians after someone wishes they see the horrors of war.
No, why would you think that?
You’re the only one here talking about Israel and Palestine. The rest of us are talking about Russia and Ukraine. Neither of those two (nor the US) signed the convention on cluster munitions.
I am talking about the double standard of someone wishing harm on civilians and everyone cheering it on.
And that harm on civilians subsequently happening.
Something about a double standard.
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What’s wrong with double standards? It’s how humans operate.
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Civilians weren’t intentionally targeted by Ukraine, unlike Hamas, who happily murders children.
Less than 3% of the israelis killed by Hamas on October7 were children.
40% of the people killed by this “unintentional cluster bombing” were children
Mhhh
Intentional vs unintentional.
Who was intentional
Hamas
Wuh-wuh-wuhddabout… Get a new tactic. That one is completely worn out at this point.
For our other readers, those missiles were intended for the military facilities nearby and were shot down by Russian AA and debris fell on the beach (hence the lack of explosions)
If the comment said “I hope israeli civilians see the horrors or war” I’m sure you would be just as generous with your thought process. Oh wait you’d be calling him straight up Genocidal.
There is no whataboutism cluster munitions are illegal and this is a war crime. This is not debris this is the ATACKMS filled with m74 bomblets.
Just be consistent in your morals. This is like someone defending Hamas gunning down non combatants.
Well, depends on the country. For example, if you are in Ukraine or russia (and surprisingly, Finland) they are legal.
Hamas and israel said they killed no innocents so therefore it’s legal.
Assad uses nerve gas? That’s legal in Syria. Aint a crime if it’s legal! case closed everyone!
https://www.clusterconvention.org/
It’s illegal to kidnap kids but Russia don’t care about war crimes and human rights violations
Yes. I never said Russia did. Neither does israel.
The question is whether we hold Ukraine to the same standard as Hamas.
Then the question should be; are we holding Russia, Israel and Ukraine to the same standards at Hamas?
Even that is a weird question because Hamas is not a country. It’s a terrorist organisation.
I don’t get the point you’re trying to make here. I feel like you just want to hate on Ukraine. You are arguing that cluster bombs are illegal, which they are in most part of the world but not in Ukraine, and then crying about Ukraine using it, while blantly ignoring the human rights violations and war crimes committed. Things that are actually illegal internationally.
Check that link you posted. It’s only illegal in signatory countries. That’s how international law works. You can call it morally wrong, but if you call it illegal that’s just false unfortunately.
Weird to segue directly from arguing that cluster munitions are illegal into claiming that the legality of weapons doesn’t matter, but okay
Weird to claim that a country claiming their war crimes are legal makes it legal under international law.
Fun fact, there are only two major countries that employ cluster munitions the United States and Russia. Everybody else has banned them. Since Ukraine is using almost exclusively Russian and American stocks of munitions for this war…
Also China, Korea (Both), Israel, India, Brasil. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_on_Cluster_Munitions
But apart from that ALL the major countries