Active users as of June 25, 2023:
- lemmy.world (48k users): 13554 active users
- lemmy.ml (38k users): 4582 active users
- beehaw.org (11k users): 3743 active users
- feddit.de (6.7k users): 2320 active users
- sh.itjust.works (6.5k users): 2167 active users
- lemmy.ca (3.5k users): 1082 active users
Great to see all this growth and activity in different lemmy instances!
Back in my day lemmy.ml was the biggest instance.
Account age: 1 week
Yep checks out
Now do me!
Account age: 2 years
Ok grandpa time to get you back to your home.
Last Tuesday.
y’all are cracking me up… time sure does fly by. i want to practice being present. that’s what i should do.
Great, but all this activity also has a subtle downside. Lemmy.world is by far the slowest federating instance I see on the Lemmyverse. It typically takes hours for posts and comments to reach my instance.
Hopefully improvements to Lemmy will make federation faster and more efficient. Sidekiq seems to do a good job on large Mastodon instances.
Don’t upgrade to 0.18.0, @ruud@lemmy.world!
What else other than the missing captcha makes it a lot of issues?
I’ve personally been having a better time with 0.18 on lemmy.ml than with 0.17.4.
Why not?
No captcha at signup to slow down bots in 0.18. Lemmy.world admin is waiting until it’s added back in to upgrade.
What is the purpose of bots, other than spam, lemmy tools and 3rd party scrapers (if that’s a thing)?
Eventually, to use humans as Duracells
Propaganda, brigading, post votes manipulation, and once accounts are “established” they could be sold for astroturfing.
I’ve noticed weird vote counts, and sometimes it’s clearly a bug. But do you think a small number of downvotes that make no sense would be bots? Or just trolls?
The weird count on posts is a bug, as for the small number of downvotes, I don’t think they’re bots, not yet, just either people disliking the comment or a few trolls, it doesn’t happen systematically, that’s what bots usually do.
Good time to appreciate the lack of dominant centrality here compared to mastodon.
Mastodon’s flagship instance run by the BDFL,
mastodon.social, has~10times the monthly active users of the next biggest instance.Here, there isn’t really a flagship instance, as the devs don’t want their instance to be anything more than the one they happen to run, and it’s not the biggest, and the biggest is independent of the lemmy dev team and isn’t even that much bigger than the others.
It does appear that lemmy.world is heading in the same direction of mastodon.social though.
That might also be a response to what users were asking for. Signing up for a server confused the shit out of everyone. It was to the point where Mastodon’s confusing onboarding process was frequently being covered by major media outlet across the globe.
Instead of continuing to iterate on sever selection experience, they just started to say “fuck it” and started dumping everyone into .social.
Which is the only way they’re ever going to work. It’s a major barrier to sign ups. If the fediverse is actually going to take off one of the Lemmy sites will have to become the dominant one
If the tools for discovering and subscribing to communities could be improved so it becomes dead easy to subscribe to communities on any instance from any instance, that might not need to happen.
Right now the process of having to search for each community and subscribe is too clunky. And if someone posts a link to another community it often comes up in a format that takes you to the other instance, where you have no account so can’t subscribe. We need a way to share links to other communities that incorporates an easy “subscribe” button that talks to your own instance.
It would be nice to have some index or search result page that lists communities on all instances, with a subscribe button next to each.
If these things can be smoothed out, it won’t matter too much which instance you have your account on, so that will be less of an obstacle to new users.
Lemmyverse.net does that really well, I think. At the top you can click the house icon and put in your instance, then whatever community you search for or find by scrolling through the list, you can just click on and subscribe
Yes, that is good, though there seems to be a bug in version 0.18 which means that when you click through the Subscribe button doesn’t show up (just the word “Subscribe” where it should be), so you end up having to search for the community anyway to subscribe. Once that bug is fixed though it will be nice and convenient.
This dominance worries me a little. Luckily the communities are spread across instances fairly well
Taking lessons from mastodon, I think server costs can really affect an instance’s decision of how many users and how fast to register them. Can’t blame them. lemmy.world just happens to have a pro admin who also runs mastodon.world.
oh yeah i remember mastodon.world, was my first ever instance i was on until i began to host my own instance.
This dominance worries me a little.
I don’t think there’s much to worry about. Having large general instances is perfectly healthy and good for the Fediverse as that’s where people new to the Fediverse will land.
I predict that large niche instances will start popping up, one example already being programming.dev, and that’s simply because there are domains where you might need extra customization.
For example, one can imagine a mathematics & physics oriented instance where LaTeX is available, or a chess-only instance where you’d have things like chessboard.js to allow members to post chess diagrams etc… Basically a return to what we had with old-school forums except this time the instances would be federated.
For example, one can imagine a mathematics & physics oriented instance where LaTeX is available, or a chess-only instance where you’d have things like chessboard.js to allow members to post chess diagrams etc…
An interesting idea. But the problem with that is that the custom rendered content would not federate properly, so such communities would only really be usable to those on that instance, which destroys the whole point of being federated in the first place. Unless they were able to implement some sort of ‘graceful degradation’ so the content was enhanced on the main instance, but still serviceable on other instances.
Good point. I think it could still work well if the processing is done on the server, ie the specialized Lemmy instance processes the LaTeX equation and replaces it with a generated PNG.
Just from my own subscriptions there’s also startrek.website and dormi.zone (which is for the game Warframe). I think having an instance function like that is pretty awesome, if I want Star Trek or Warframe related content I know exactly where to go now.
I’m reading from kbin.social. Does kbin get included in the stats?
Check this
dang 49k users and 49k active users
are these actually true?
Looks kinda funky. I’m not sure if kbin data is accurate.
No, these stats are specifically how many users are active that have their accounts on Lemmy.world.
If every lemmy.world active user committed to just 2 posts and 2 comments per day there would be 27,000 new posts and comments to read daily, or more than 1,000 per hour on average.
This is my second post today. Doing my part.
Also lemmy.world is extremely slow in pushing out messages to other instances, if at all. So leading the pack is not necessarily the best thing until you figure out scaling.
Is that what’s happening when I try to reply and it just loads forever?
No I think that is just you telling lemmy.world the message which sometimes can get stuck. Only after the message was sent will other instances sync with lemmy.world if they are federated.
That should have been fixed about a week ago, hopefully it hasn’t happened to you lately!
Here’s ruud’s post explaining: https://lemmy.world/post/288652
Thanks for the link, unfortunately this is still affecting me. I’m gonna make an account on another instance for the time being
The server has already been upgraded 3 times. I’m sure they’ll upgrade again if they’re seeing issues. They might not know if it’s an external issue.
It is likely a lemmy version difference.
Yeah, they should really consider not accepting new users until that is figured out, honestly. There are plenty of servers out there that people can join at this point. Too much centralization in a decentralized system for my liking regardless of instance scaling.
Yeah, I’ve been missing a ton of comment replies from lemmy.world and it’s frustrating. I am wondering if it’s because they’re still on 0.17.4 instead of 0.18.
Yeah I think that’s the main issue. Hopefully 18.1 can be released soon so they can upgrade too.
That’s great and imma let you finish but remember that decentralization is strength on the fediverse. Join or create other instances, join or create communities on other instances, thats our strength.
On the fediverse, instances come and go. I’ve seen big instances go down either permanently or temporarily, and ive also seen big communities decide they’re turning off federation. The only way to be safe from that is to decentralize, so if something happens there’s still something worth doing on the fediverse.
Besides that though, congratulations lemmy.world, I love to see the thrediverse Renaissance we’re in, and nothing but love for the folks running this instance and the folks participating on it.
Some of us were here before it blew up… lol.
What’s the number #6 instance?
Who is Lemmy? Is this an underground movement thing on the dark web or something?
Ian Fraser Kilmister (24 December 1945 – 28 December 2015), better known as Lemmy Kilmister or simply Lemmy, was an English musician. He was the founder, lead singer, bassist and primary songwriter of the rock band Motörhead, of which he was the only continuous member, and a member of Hawkwind from 1971 to 1975.
Love seeing the growth!
how does kbin.social compare?
That shows kbin.social at 43.9k users with 43.9k active users. Not sure if kbin counts active users the same way lemmy does.
With the top 5 lemmy instances having an average of 23.3% of their total users being active monthly users and assuming the same for kbin then they would have about 10266 active monthly users.
Wow kbin is blowing up faster than I thought.
Bigger than Lemmy’s most popular instance is pretty big feat. As a platform, Lemmy presumably takes the cake though. At least for now.
It’s great to see Lemmy world growing so fast! As I’m still trying to grasp how to the Fediverse works in practice, how much does one need to ‘trust’ the lemmy instance?
If the instance is shut down or the owner enacts policies the community doesn’t agree with, what happens to all of the content and communities in the instance?
