Why YSK: The term “Genuine Leather” is a marketing term to sell the lowest quality leather possible.
When purchasing a leather product, look for full grain leather or top grain leather instead. These will provide a much higher quality cut of leather that will look and feel much better and last for much longer.
Don’t buy leather. Cows are sentient beings with their own subjective experience. Actions that inflict unnecessary harm upon others should be reconsidered.
If you downvote, you must have a justification for buying leather and I’d love to hear it.
Justification: I like to eat cows, they taste good. Might as well use the skin when the animal is killed anyway. Also leather is a really good material for a lot of things.
Second. I am a carnivore.
Not quite. The truth is, there is no universally recognized grades of leather. But when bragging about quality, genuine leather is the lowest bar they can go (other than bonded leather, which isn’t fully leather but just a veneer over fabric.
Full grain or top grain is generally what you want.
https://lifehacker.com/what-genuine-leather-really-means-1850309049
Also, some are concerned about the use of an animal product. The vast majority of leather is a byproduct of the beef industry. It is skin that would otherwise go to waste. And it is also far more environmentally friendly a material than many alternatives, which are often made of plastics.
It’s the industry recapturing some of its costs by reducing waste. That’s still supporting the industry.
We applauded Native Americans for using every part of the animal, yet when we do it today somehow it’s a bad thing.
The skins are there rather you like the industry or not. Better to use them than throw them in a landfill.
By your logic, why don’t we flay off the skins of all dead people and wear those too? They’re just going to waste!
I’m opposed to the animal killing industry and all of its various outgrowths. The less money that can be made from it, the less money will be invested into the industry in the first place. If the skins end up in a landfill, that’s lost revenue that makes the industry suffer. Putting money in the pockets of these businesses just lets them reinvest. Stop trying to portray your choice to wear skin as somehow the more ethical one and preach from some imaginary moral high ground.
I’d genuinely prefer if my family turned my remains into a fucking backpack instead of paying thousands of dollars to put them on a cushioned box in the ground
Why not indeed! Its a travesty that Im not allowed to make a wallet out of grandpa’s dead ass!
Tan me hide when I’m dead, Fred
Tan me hide when I’m dead
So we tanned his hide when he died, Clyde
And that’s it hangin’ on the shed!
Altogether now!(actually, I unironically think human remains should be reused instead of preserved in a box lol)
It really is like I never left Reddit
Yeah, honestly you should buy leather products based on brands than on description of “genuine” leather.
And agree, real leather is a much better alternative to the ridiculous amount of micro-plastic synthetic leather generates, especially since it’ll last you decades if you maintain it well.
Leather made from animal flesh is far worse for the planet than pleather, but if you’re really worried, you could just forgo both
https://twitter.com/jan_dutkiewicz/status/1645867376381169665?t=w7mjq-VuWZB6TAudzs7A9g&s=19
I think this is a good point and well sourced; however, it doesn’t take into account the longevity of the product, which is also important. Best practice is probably to thrift existing leather products since we already have so much material in circulation.
plant based leather exists
Is it really leather, though?
is soy milk really milk, though?
nope.
do I care?
nope. love the stuff.
If you enjoy it great.
Except for a few specific cases, indo not enjoy them at all… Oat milk is okay if the milk is not a major player in taste. Coconut milk is good if you want a coconutty taste.
Personally I prefer soymilk and almond milk for cereal, but I’ll stick to regular milk products for most sauces/cooking.
Dark chocolate almond milk is my favorite splurge.
You should also know that technically only the piece marked as genuine leather needs to actually be genuine leather. If you buy something made with multiple pieces, the rest could be made from any material so long as that one piece is genuine.
“Made with natural and artificial flavors”… So just… made with artificial flavors then…
Contains 100% real cheese
Can somebody explain why leather is better? It’s it the smell? The feel? Tradition? I see it in car reviews where they complain about cloth.
It’s breathable but works in both warm and cold weather. This makes it ideal for spring and autumn. It’s easy to clean although it’s also hard to maintain (you have to oil it and protect it against rain). It lasts for very long if you care for it unlike fabric or fake leather, so a leather jacket can be worn for decades and still look and feel great.
Surely leather is skin and skin is very definitely non porous? Secrete oils from tiny glands? Yes. Let water through? Very much nope.
There’s various types of leather, some of which are actually porous. I’m no expert but you can Google it.
The point about rain protection isn’t related to the water getting through but because rain can contain chemicals and salt which can stain the leather and also make the leather brittle and vulnerable to mechanical damage, like getting cracks on it because it loses some of it’s natural elasticity.
This is usually prevented by oiling it and putting various rain protection products on it.
It is something people think they want because it is more expensive and in higher trim levels in cars. But when your car is parked in the hot sun the leather feels like it burns and in the winter is freezing to the touch. Leather also doesn’t breath so you end up sweating more and if your are not wearing long pants your leg will stick to the seat. Cloth is so much better functionally. Cloth also lasts longer than the fake leather they put in cars. Cloth won’t peel like the fake leather.
Not exactly true. “genuine leather” is a specific grade of leather product.
Here’s a decent breakdown of leather types: https://bosca.com/blog/types-of-leather-a-glossary/
“the real lpt is in the comments”
love to wear animal flesh
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Wear, not so much. Mostly to sit on!
It seems so odd too because if I didn’t know better, I’d assume “Full or Top Grain” was lower quality than “Genuine Leather” just by how the phrases sound.
Leather is murder anyways.
Wonder what the people who are downvoting this are thinking. Is it not murder, or is it only a restproduct of murder?
I wonder what people who upvote this are thinking, obviously the point is moot unless you are also vegan. And who upvotes someone going “meat is murder” in the comment section.
I’m not vegan, but I do personally agree that it’s selfish and inhumane to eat meat and use leather - especially on an industrial scale. I eat meat, but I don’t have any delusions about where it comes from.
Not meaning to argue, but just to say it’s not only vegans that think about this stuff. Also, even if it was, that doesn’t mean they’re wrong or moot.
I think it’s the difference between vegan ethics and being a vegan in practice. I generally agree with vegan ethics, I think that meat and leather are generally made from murder. Perhaps a lesser version of murder than killing a human being, but murder nonetheless. However, animal products are common in both food and consumer goods and I don’t have the time or money to commit towards fully avoiding them. Like with the issue of many of our agricultural goods being the product of slavery, I believe that this is something that should moreso be curtailed by the state than any individual consumer.
This is my general philosophy. I try to be as ethical as I can, but I realize there will always be a certain level of “hypocrisy” in my actions.
I think it’s because it’s irrelevant for someone who would be interested in leather (and this YSK). I’m sure they’re well aware of where leather comes from. I will say, though, that if cows are getting murdered for food, then they might as well use the whole animal instead of letting it go to waste.
They killed for their skins. It’s not a “by-product” which would be thrown away otherwise
https://twitter.com/matthewhayek/status/1646145797698756610?t=AL_msrN0woNtB7gqF_pv7A&s=19
In the right context, leather goods are much more durable and sustainable than synthetic alternatives. That said, leather is a co-product of the meat and dairy industry which is currently ridiculously unsustainable. Leather for leathers sake in designer goods and such is ridiculous.
Leather production is terrible for the environment, a shit ton of chemicals used.
Murder is killing a human.
Killing a cow is just part of eating.
You didn’t need to kill the cow to eat, you chose to kill something that didn’t want to die for the fleeting taste of it’s dead body on your tongue
This is why I keep my animals alive and slice off bits as I need them.
This really is a perfect replacement for reddit, we even have the same reposted fun facts
I mean, reposting things that were on Reddit before would be a good way to get more content on here
jesus christ
Reddit does it with Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, and Tumblr…
Some of the bigger communities is literally just screenshots of what people say other places.
It would be pretty funny to see an instance that just pulls posts from subs and posts them to Lemmy. Not direct links to reddit, just copy the link/pic/video
You can leave reddit, but you can’t leave the redditor on the inside.
Words of wisdom right there.
If you’re looking for bifl full grain leather stuff, hanks belts is pretty good. not cheap, but you only need one ever.
Well yes but my wallet is cool and on a chain
Also known as “It’s really leather, I promise.”
Not to be all hyper pagan or anything but maybe just don’t buy skin?
It has its uses.
