Circlejerk ragebait thread.
The extremelyinfuriating part: these people vote.
A lot of them can’t anymore though 😔
Voting causes autism, look it up sheeple.
This is a stupid arguments, TBH.
There’s no argument…
They’ve been working on a COVID vaccine since the SARS epidemic, but that fact won’t stop the stupid.
Also, cancer isn’t one disease but a whole class of diseases. And we actually do have vaccines that prevent certain forms of cancer, like the HPV vaccine.
There is also a lung cancer vaccine made in Cuba, called CimaVax (I think).
There’s some hurdles to getting it though, depending on where you are.
Yes. The Jannsen and Oxford vacancies.
However, vaccines using mRNA technology are VERY new.
Also, why wouldn’t they use a cancer vaccine for a “mind control” or “tracking chip”.
I always found the tracking chip conspiracy stuff to be particularly funny. Unfortunately, I never personally met any whackos that believed it.
The best method for very accurately tracking them was the thing they likely used to post about the COVID vaccine tracking you.
Belief isn’t needed.
MIT researchers have now developed a novel way to record a patient’s vaccination history: storing the data in a pattern of dye, invisible to the naked eye, that is delivered under the skin at the same time as the vaccine. https://news.mit.edu/2019/storing-vaccine-history-skin-1218
And Bill Gates talking about doing it in a reddit AMA.
NO PERIODS IN 50YEARS NO LOWERCASE LETTERS IN25 YEARS
Also they can’t work out how to type question marks, so they’ll have to be drawn in after.
https://www.hiv.gov/blog/encouraging-first-in-human-results-for-a-promising-hiv-vaccine/
An HIV vaccine is in human trials
oh sure another possible hiv vaccine that certainly wont be forgotten in a month
Well that’s a good news I like seeing in these sea of sad news.
I thought we were all supposed to drop dead in 2 years, the cookers were all banging on about that at one point when they weren’t punching horses and thinking the government used laser weapons on them and not that they got sunburnt from spending the day in the sun “protesting”
Didn’t they make the vaccine in few days? It just took 10 months or so to get it approved
SARS an MARS viruses and vaccines are not new, they have been researched for probably 40-50 years
Exactly, Covid is a variant of a pretty well known class of virusses. The research on mRNA vaccines was pretty advanced as far as I gathered but testing them in trials isn’t something you can easily do. There’s a lot of hoops to jump through to justify trials with human subjects. When the burden of disease isn’t very impactful it’s hard to justify trials. Once covid came screeching around the corner suddenly the justification was easy to argue.
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- Vaccines against coronavirus have been in development for decades. The urgency for them really ticked up with in the early 2000’s with SARS coronavirus floating around. Also the tech for quickly developing mRNA vaccines has been in the works since the 80’s.
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- HIV is a very different virus and we do have pretty good treatments to prevent infection (prep) and stop HIV from becoming AIDS. I have someone in my family that has had HIV for decades and he is going to die from old age, not AIDS.
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- Cancer, like a broken leg, is not a virus. It’s an entirely different medical problem.
Thanks for explanation.
Also significant parts of mRNA vaccine research were built on HIV research! Fighting HIV/AIDS directly led to the technologies that let us make the Covid vaccine possible. We really do “stand on the shoulders of giants” - we build new knowledge based off the work of those who came before us!
mRNA vaccines yes, not more traditional vaccines like J&J- but generally true.
you raise a good point. we still don’t have vaccines for broken legs either. this puts the reality of all other supposed vaccines into further doubt.
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/s in case that wasn’t clear
Well, I’ve heard about this one guy named Logan who got a vaccine for broken bones… After he got it, he never broke a bone in his body again.
… He also got sweet blades that come out from his hands.
To these people an apple isn’t an orange. They can’t tell that they’re both fruit.
There IS the HPV vaccine, which is basically a cancer vaccine for one set of cancers.
Immunotherapy is also often called cancer treatment vaccine. And HepB vaccine also protects from liver cancer associated with Hep B.
I guess you could say the same thing about hepatitis vaccines.
HPV and hepatitis are not cancer, but they can increase the risk of certain cancers. Often times the best way to beat cancer is to limit exposure to the things that can increase the risk of getting it.
Also good to remember there’s also newer tech like alphafold from the deepmind project - using AI to really, really accelerate development.
Absolutely blows my mind.
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People really like to throw their opinions at everyone else even if they don’t understand anything on the subject. I remember seeing a post on Facebook saying something along the lines of:
a virus that dies with soap and water and they haven’t found a cure yet?
I like how they just added those question marks with a pen
The thing that bothers me the most about (mostly right-wing) anti-covid propaganda is that they use the argument that it was rushed to market. The vaccines were rushed to market thanks to an FDA emergency provision that removed a lot of the “red tape” that companies normally have to go through to get any medical item into the hands and/or bodies of consumers.
So many right-wing politicians campaign on the promise of removing red tape and getting rid of these things that protect all of us. This is literally what they say they want.
Chalk another one up for right wing hypocrisy, I suppose…
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The Covid vaccines were really very effective against the original strains they were developed against. They effectively reduced the chances of infection.
By the time we got to omicron- less so, though still good at preventing serious disease
Like annual flu shots, the covid shot are freaking amazing at keeping people alive and out of the hospital. Do the ensure that you won’t get sick? No. The point is to reduce severity and spread.
This simply isn’t true, they’re extremely effective at preventing serious illness and death. Variants came along that stressed them but the main purpose of those two things has stood firm.
they’re extremely effective at preventing serious illness and death
But underwhelming at preventing infection and spread, particularly for newer variants.
Which is why further R&D needs to continue. And people still need to mask up if they want to avoid contributing to contagion.
Where did you read this nonsense? The COVID vaccines are FAR more effective at preventing illness and death than the flu shot. The things we learned about mRNA vaccines made for COVID will be used to improve the flu shot and other vaccines in the future. There is quite literally no reasonable argument against the vaccines. They’re extremely safe and extremely effective.
Generally right-wingers oppose efficacy requirements not long term safety trials- the COVID vaccine simply did not have enough time for that. Or they oppose the FDA entirely- which is a different thing because then you could hold drug companies liable rather than them being able to lean on the FDA for protection.
Chalk another one up for right wing hypocrisy, I suppose…
The only right wing value is the acquisition of power and influence, that’s why they don’t hold to any position, they will just stand wherever benefits them the most in that moment.
And by they, you mean the right wind politicians in power.
The people who vote for them are constantly voting against their immediate interests.
If we had some sort of ranked choice, a lot of these one-issue voters might actually have a choice in their representation. Which would be good for all of us.
What does “left wing” and “right wing” mean?
The origin of a word is largely distinct from how people use it in the modern day.
Broadly speaking, left wing is about creating change, ideally for more equality or the betterment of all. Right wing is about conserving the status quo and traditional power hierarchies, because they are accustomed to benefiting from them.
So would ideologies like fascism, georgism, anarcho-capitalism, ethno-nationalism, etc be left-wing?
When in doubt, remember that oncentration camps are not compatible with “equality or betterment of all”.
So then what are they- since they aren’t ideologies about conserving the status quo?
Concentration camps protect establishment power.
Also, these vaccines were not developed in under a year. There was literally several DECADES of research and testing on coronavirus vaccines (anyone remember SARS), and mRNA / adenovirus vaccine tech.
Saying these were rushed is a flat out lie.
They were rushed in that they did rush to accelerate the development- largely through increased funding. However, that does not make them unsafe. Of course investing more into research can generally speed it up.
The only thing that was accelerated was the scale of the tech infrastructure and the testing to target this specific variant of coronavirus. Coronavirus vaccines, and the modern technology to deliver the vaccines, was developed and piloted long before the COVID 19 started floating around.
We were lucky AF.
I mean there’s been so much research towards AIDS that it’s not the death sentence that it was in the 80s.
However, there probably would have been even more progress had Reagan not stifled progress
not to mention being undetectable, untransmisable, uninfectable and no symptoms even when poz on PrEP - although not technically a “cure” is still pretty damn close
Yeah I was going to say the reason there hasn’t been significant progress on a HIV virus isn’t because it isn’t possible but because for the longest time the bodies that could provide funding for the research thought HIV killing ‘the gays’ was a desirable outcome…
Maybe 30 years ago.
But in the last 20 years there has been a lot of of funding towards prevention and researching a cure.
https://avac.org/project/resource-tracking/
An HIV vaccine has proven itself to be an extremely elusive target.
But with recent developments in biotechnology, it may not be much longer before we finally have get one.
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The worst part about this is that the MRNA tech used in the COVID vaccine was developed specifically to make cancer vaccines.
And mRNA vaccine technology has been advancing for decades. It’s disingenuous to suggest that “it only took ten months.”
There were also early coronavirus vaccines being developed with mRNA tech to fight SARS and MERS. I have a friend who got the MERS vaccine as part of a test group.
They scream about it, but MRNA tech & the other advancements involved enabled us to get from zero-to-vaccine in record time, and I’m convinced that because of that, my 84yo mother with COPD is still here!
They call it conspiracy, I call that victory!
Partially enabled. Without mRNA we still would have had J&J and Astrazenica.
Why the fuck are these idiots so weirdly obsessed with Gates. He’s a fuckin’ retired OS monger, not a supermegapolyscientist
god i hate gates and wish he never did this whitewashing bullshit but these vaccine dumbasses have as many brain cells as their iq value
he’s really rich and has paid lip service to liberal ideas, that’s enough
