It isn’t an electric car tho, as it isn’t up in flames!
“If I’m going down I’m taking one of you with me!”
The planet is subscribed to !fuck_cars@lemmy.ml
Alright Alanis, here’s a fork
nature: “you should take the train instead”
The train doesn’t stop at the recycling centre. Nor does it stop at my childrens’ schools. Ditto my office, the supermarket, IKEA, the house of the person I just bought weed from.
The layout of our towns expanded with the ubiquity of cars. Services agglomerated and became situated where land was cheap rather than central.
Bikes and light mass transit have their use cases but removing cars is not feasible for the majority of households
not sure if it hits like it did in my head
Very good. Bottom panel could also read “to save the automotive industry ☝️”
It does
Electric cars are here to save the car industry, not the environment.
The most environmentally friendly car is the car you already have, and the most environmentally friendly (also safest, healthiest, quietest, just in general the most considerate) way to get from point A to point B is by walking, biking, bus, or train.
The only time EV saves the environment is when all of the following are met:
- your old car is completely gone,
- there is zero way to get to where you need to be without a car,
- and you have been fighting for good transport and safe bike lane all along.
I bought an electric car because it was a better car for my needs. I got a good deal on it. Electric cars have fewer, simpler moving parts. They require fewer oil changes and don’t have to deal with heat dissipation. I can also have it plugged into my house each night, which means I always have a “full tank” every morning. I can set the heat or air conditioning to come on on a schedule because it doesn’t produce carbon monoxide. The car is much quieter and drives a lot smoother.
They have a lot of benefits, but they don’t exactly save the environment. Lithium mining is very destructive to the local environment and it’s done in countries with questionable ethics around worker health and safety. Most experts agree that over the lifespan of a car, electric cars are better for the world environment than gas vehicles, but if you really want to make an impact on the environment, taking public transit or biking or walking or other forms of micro-mobility would actually make a way bigger impact. And if those kinds of things are difficult where you live, you should really be supporting public policy to make that better.
You buy Tesla to look cool/rich and support a POS billionaire, you buy a Nissan leaf because you care about the environment to some degree. You ride a bike to save the planet.
Nissan leaf is a piece of shit
Yup. People driving an “uncool” car because of their priorities. Though yes, there are other, better EVs.
A Leaf has no long driving capability. It uses a charging standard that is dead. On top of that, it doesn’t have a long range at all.
That’s why it’s shit, not because of it being “uncool”
It looks still driveable to be honest.
The tree, a lifelong pyromaniac, heard stories of these legendary “lithium fires” and wanted to see for itself.
Irony would be the car still kills the planet. I think this is technically coincidence. But I’m in no way an expert and could be entirely wrong. Just commenting to see if anyone definitively has the answer.
Edit: to be clear, I’m discussing the difference between irony and coincidence. My bad.
They’re significantly less damaging to the environment but the lithium mining is awful and the resources to generate electric currently are pretty damning. But all things considered, even with those they are significantly more eco friendly so if we could focus on green electric generation EV’s would be extremely more friendly.
But a real solution to green transportation involves cutting out vehicles for personal use. Using public transportation like buses and stuff (which can be electric too) would cut down on transportation emissions significantly. Intercity travel is tough because of the distance. Trains are an option, but honestly they aren’t fast enough for most people when you’re traveling hundreds of miles. I think electric cars are still the better option there. Them moving trucks to electric is a big help too. Tractor trailers aren’t as inefficient as many people think. They use exhaust fluid to curb tons of emissions. But they do an extreme amount of driving so it still has a significant impact.
More solar, wind, or hydro electric would make us a very green planet that costs a lot of money and not much interest from people with the money to do it. It’s a solved problem, but no one wants to implement the solution
What if I’m charging my EVs with the solar panels on my house?
The rubber tires on your car are still not recyclable and will practically never break down. Also since electric cars are generally heavier you’re doing more damage to road infrastructure than necessary. Cars are not sustainable.
you still need to fuck the planet with Lithium mining.
Trains can go a lot faster than electric cars what are you talking about
not from where you are to exactly where you want to go
Wrong, good intercity high speed trains are so much faster that they beat cars even accounting for last mile trips by other methods
I’m gonna reveal more than I’d like to, but I think geographies play a big role here. I’m in America. Rail sucks. It’d take massive investment to make them remotely viable for regular intercity transportation.
I live in Johnstown PA. I frequently travel to Pittsburgh PA because Johnstown is a shit city and offers nothing. But shit cities are were most of the focus is needed. Many people around here don’t understand how much of a difference that would make because what we have now is abhorrent. I need to walk over a mile to my nearest bus stop down a hill with a 10% grade and no sidewalks to be safe on. And that’s if it shows up. Half the time our buses are broke down and non-functional. Of course no one wants to invest more in it when they don’t see the use of it.
But I punched in a train ticket to Pittsburgh. It only leaves 1 time per day at 3:45 PM. It requires a bus connection. It takes 2 hours and 25 minutes. It costs $45 per person. It takes me an hour to drive to Pittsburgh and with my EV that is within a full charge so I can charge at home where I will never notice the cost
Trains are economical, but are not faster for intercity travel. Maybe in Europe but cities are more progressed there and have the funding to do quick travel. In the United States trains are not going to become viable for a very long time unless your on a subway and staying in the same city.
The entire Fuxing Hao network has been built in the last like 15 years. We could do that too if we cared to.
wrong yourself
over double the time to get to my destination if i take public transport.
This includes high speed rail
I said good, nothing good is on that cursed island
Did you used to play Ingress?
Trains can go faster, but have a stricter schedule. Cars are extremely convenient. You can leave when you want. Want to be in a city at 8 am? It’s a hour away by car so leave by 7. However the only train getting there before 8 leaves at 6. But it takes 20 minutes to get to the station. Or, if we go super green, it take 45 since your walking. You need to leave at 5
It’s similar with a bus, but more manageable when most stops have buses stopping every 15-30 minutes. So for a bus you may need to leave at 6:30 or whatever to make it on time.
Wait til you get stuck in a traffic jam
My understanding of the words is similar. Irony is when you expressly think something will happen, and then it doesn’t (or vice versa).
So obviously the owner was thinking “my car is definitely not going to be crushed by a tree” and thus this is actually ironic.
But that would imply every bad thing is ironic. I think it’s when you have reason to believe the exact opposite should happen. You have no reason to believe a tree will never fall. But if you’re obsessed about tree falling on car safety, you’d then have that expectation. That’s why most things in the song Ironic are actually coincidences, but a song dedicated to irony being wrong about irony is actually ironic.
Technically the city, that didn’t take of the tree, killed the car and the tree.
Great joke!
And for the rest: yes, electric cars aren’t saving the environment. We just don’t have historical data on the effects like we do with fossil fuels. Add in trashed batteries, lithium mining, slave mining, and the shipping costs (in pollution mostly) and it’s possibly worse (just counting consumers). We really need to deal with shipping globally and major corporations effects. But I bet you already knew that.
Doesn’t matter, companies love greenwashing these days
I did but I’m glad to see you say it nonetheless :)
The people who broke the testla are the ones who murdered the tree by putting asphalt right up to its trunk.
Or the tree trunk grew to the asphalt.
Either the asphalt shohldnt be there or a smaller tree should have been used.
Nonetheless it’s clear someone has asphalted right up to the trunk and that should have never occurred.
What a weak tree, in my city the trees pretend the asphalt isn’t there and the roots grow right through it
For real, the pavements here are like bunched-up carpet from all the roots, lol
Weird disconnect here though that stopping climate change was about saving trees, and not our own sorry arses.
I bought an electric car to insulate me from gas prices, because the instant torque makes them fun to drive, and because the cost of ownership is way lower than an equivalent gas car.
It had nothing to do with the environment, but if it helps, great.
