You’re only cheating yourself, just get a job rather than dicking around in school if you’re doing this.
That is way too easily said. I used a lot of tactics like these to get through high school for subjects I will never care about. Now I am in college and able to do a job I love.
This is innovation, and problem solving the small stuff is a very important skill in the modern day work environment.
Do I wasn’t to hand calculate an entire statistical analysis, no. I use excell.
It doesn’t make the work any more or less valid. If you can Google something in under a minute, don’t bother spending a tonne of time trying to remember it.
And never learn to do anything independently or understand what it is you are doing, or even know anything off hand. That way when Google censors you and witholds vital information in an emergency situation, you are totally unprepared for it and come to harm.
Yeah this teaches some incredibly valuable skills like creative problem solving, how to bend rules for your own benefit and how to use tech to be cool as fuck.
Basically the best traits to have in the nearest future where AI will be the most important tool to use anywhere
This person is a lot more prepared for the real world than all the other students who did the assignment by hand.
Which is why I said they should just go out and get a job rather than pretending to get a a broad education.
It’s an expensive waste of time, like getting a gym membership and posing next to the machines.
Sehen meine müden Augen etwa Deutsch??
I think, the handwritten font, that is used by the plotter, does not support german umlauts. But if you create your own handwriting font, this might be a fun idea to try to get away with.
I would assume, you have a standard text. That you handwrite. Then scan, so that the 3d printer can write in your handwriting!
All that for nobody to be able to read my crappy handwriting ;)
Its much more difficult than that to be actually believable. As u/Luftruessel said, theres a great video from “Stuff Made Here” where he goes deep inside the topic and tries to fool a graphologist.
Yeah you’d need a dozen or so examples of each character for randomness and the professor who can see the shenanigans would just ask for a paper in cursive.
But the letter shapes change slightly depending on what letters are before and after.
You don’t just scan individual letters, you also scan a bunch of different combos of letters next to each other, as needed. For example, you’re gonna want specific scans for things like “ea”,“ee”, “eu”.
Getting several examples of every letter combination gets very hard very fast. Just lowercase, to get 5 examples of the letters before and after each letter is nearly 100k examples. You’d probably be better off doing some machine leaning shenanigans to simplify the process from training data.
“Stuff made here” has a video where he fools around with that idea. Worth checking out imo
So, first you need to learn how to set up the printer, then fetch the bot produced text, review (hopefully), load it to the printer, run a test to determine it every part is working, run the “print”, review it…
I’d risk doing it yourself would be quicker
It’s about sending a message!
But if you do the initial setup time once, you’ve got much less work the rest of the year!
You’re right! And it states “I really don’t care about acquiring knowledge”.
How busy are you to go that lenght to supposedly save time?
It states “I don’t want to waste my time writing some shitty assignments for subjects I will not pursue in the future anyways”. This person obviously does have time to acquire knowledge and does it, because programming this requires knowledge about things such as vector graphics, neural networks and GCODE creation.
Are you me when I was back in school? Is this a loop hole?
Yes, much of which we learn in school seems/feels unnecessary to a perceived/imagined/planned personal future but its the variety of subjects that creates the basis for multi layered reasoning.
I am painfully aware Lemmy is mostly populated by high technically proficient individuals but the world is not about to be handled by machines and AI, not now and I risk not ever, simply because there are tasks that can not and should not ever be handled by a machine.
IT and tech is not the cusp of human achievement.
I wrote my own software and used commercial plotter (from 90s - it is way faster than 3d printer) in order to achieve result that can make teacher believe that it was written. In my language it is required for letters to be connected when handwritten (my program does it), there are different variations for each letter that are stretched and rotated during generation (I used pen tablet in order to input them)
It was written mostly when I was in 10-11th grade (that’s why the code is spaghetti) and I indeed wasted much more time than I would if I did my homework like a normal person
Btw here is repo: https://github.com/Snow4DV/3DWriter
So, first you need to learn how to set up the printer, then fetch the bot produced text, review (hopefully), load it to the printer, run a test to determine it every part is working, run the “print”, review it…
I’d risk doing it yourself would be quicker
Who will explain the concept of a regular printer to him?
Teachers are starting to enforce hand written assignments to stop the use of chatGPT
Sounds like a disability act lawsuit waiting to happen tbh. Some of us have very poor fine motor skills or worse and would be severely disadvantaged by having to do even short hand written assignments…
They would almost certainly make accommodations. I saw many such examples throughout my years of schooling.
Germany traditionally is quite shocking in their practice of segregating children with disabilities into special Förderschulen. Whereas the U.S. has the Individual’s with Disabilities Education Act since the 1970s, Germany was basically forced into integration recently after the country signed the U.N. Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities in 2009. And even then, they are taking their sweet time to integrate. See e.g. https://www.aktion-mensch.de/inklusion/bildung/hintergrund/zahlen-daten-und-fakten/inklusionsquoten-in-deutschland as how currently, slightly less than half of German students with disabilities go to a regular school (the Inklusionsanteil).
What the actual …
Fun fact, fine motor skills are taught differently in different countries. In some countries, children spend a considerable time improving their writing skills and even the less gifted reach a reasonable level. Of course, I am not talking about children with central nervous system or physical disabilities.
Also, spending so much time on fine motor skills reduces their ability to work in other, somewhat more relevant skills.
I’m not talking about students who haven’t done their cursive exercises, I’m talking about students with disabilities making hand writing inherently much more difficult than for other students, especially the ones who’d have to fight tooth and nail to prove it because their handicap is generally thought to be “only mental” in spite of being more complex, like ADHD.
If someone actually had a disability, they wouldn’t have to do it or would be given other accommodations. That’s basically how it was for thousands of years before people had word processors.
Lemmy accidentally deleted my comment right before I was going to post it, I had to rewrite it.
I’ve fought for years to get accommodations that I was legally obligated to, (504 Plan) fought with a school, (they were actively refusing to give accommodations, illegally) for 3 years, before giving up and switching schools.
The next couple of schools I tried were not well equipped to provide accommodations, albeit not malicious, (in one case not telling anyone until two months in)
Even after I finally got what I was legally owed, I still had to put up with often writing assignments by hand, (I have fine motor coordination disorder, as the commenter above mentioned), including an entire test. (One of the end of year ones for my sophomore year)
I also have CAPD, which allowed me to skip taking Spanish class, after two years of fighting for it. (I failed the first year of Spanish for obvious reasons, I had to retake it the next year.) (This was at the first school, I don’t know why I was able to get this accommodation but not the others, I was in middle school)
Yeah, except many schools don’t have the tools to properly do such accommodation, meaning that the students with disabilities are inevitably left behind.
Especially the ones like me with hard to detect disabilities such as ADHD who would have to fight tooth and nail to get their disability acknowledged in the first place and then to convince them of the fact that ADHD, while being mainly mental, DOES significantly impair fine motor skills used for hand writing.
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They want you to hand copy what ChatGPT outputs and turn it in? That’s a terrible response to AI. If they want to hold you accountable, they should have you write it right there in front of them.
Now you’re sounding like Elon Musk demanding that people who work better from home return to Tesla offices…
Only worse, since you also want to add an extra anxiety-inducing and impractical layer of in-person surveillance 🤦
You sound like a lazy spoiled brat who just wants to get out of doing homework and play video games all day.
Homework requiring writing some shit down from Wikipedia is useless homework anyways - and here this seems to be the case.
They’re trying to make sure you actually read the material. 🤦
But why would you? You should be able to use any sources you want to learn whenever you want, just be prepared for the exam. I wrote hundreds useless homeworks like this in middle school and I remember nothing from most of them.
Never said anything of the sort. That’s your own uncreative view of the world refusing to see any alternative to how things were done back when they didn’t have the technology we have today.
This has nothing to do with work from home policies. I also don’t know how to approach the concept that completing schoolwork in school is “in person surveillance” and not just “schoolwork”
It’s like (lack of) work from home politicies in that it’s forcing people to do things a specific way in a specific place even though it’s much less convenient AND much less efficient.
It’s in person surveillance because “right in front of” implies physical proximity where the teacher is watching, making some students unnecessarily anxious.
I get that you probably grew up in a more primitive time where such methods were the norm, but things change as society progresses and your industrial age solution to an information age challenge is likely to cause a lot more harm than good, if it even does good at all.
Ok, so if you think students demonstrating their knowledge in class is “primitive,” can you describe how you think school should work?
I think students ONLY demonstrating their knowledge in class and being forced to do work that would be better accomplished elsewhere is primitive, yes.
I think school should take advantage of modern technology such as computers and the internet without letting doing the pseudo-plagiarism of having GPT do everything. Enforcement of the latter doesn’t necessitate going back to how things were done in the 80s and earlier.
He thinks AI should do all the thinking for him and he should be able to take all of the credit, so he doesn’t have to learn anything. Ignorance is something to strive for to these people because ignorance = less work.
Ok, so hand copy all your assignments from ChatGPT all semester and I, the instructor, will count them as 50 percent of your final grade. The other 50 percent is based on a hand-written final essay written in class. How do you think you will do?
I am old so all of my formal university education was completed decades ago, but people cheated back then too and in my experience it’s usually way more effort than it’s worth as opposed to just doing the work and coming out with the skills you’ll need to be successful at the next level.
That’s my dreary little bit of moralizing for the day.
It’s a deterrent, not an end all be all solution to end cheating.
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What a stupid approach - have those teachers never seen their students copy each other during tests?
It’s a deterrent, not an end all be all solution to end cheating.
Could one not just copy a chat got essay by hand?
Can’t jack off, play league, and write your homework with just two hands
Sure, but you can clearly see from the result that it’s not handwritten. The person could have used a normal printer.
This video says it’s possible to make it look like a human wrote it.
If you’re wondering if this is more work than writing the actual essay, we don’t talk about that here.
That’s really cool
Who will explain the concept of a plotter to you?
You?
Wait shit I just use one as a printer for bigass drawings. I didn’t realize it used a pen
Most modern “plotters” are just bigass printers. The word used to only mean pen-based vector-drawing machines, but the overlapping use in architechture and engineering meant that as cheap inkjets supplanted the pen plotters they co-opted the name.
Thanks, I’ve never dealt with that before. But from what I’ve read, a regular printer would still make more sense for such a task.
Benefits of a plotter in this case:
- easier to align with the existing lines on the paper
- the ink doesn’t look printed (depending on the pen; I would use a blue ball-pen to make text look more authentic)
- there are pressure-marks left on the paper, you wouldn’t have these on regular printers
And as I found out in this thread, you can also adjust the handwriting. That’s cool. But in the picture, the writing looks so artificial that the person could have used a normal printer.
Or knives! Or inkjets! There are all kinds of bastards, I used to work with the knife variety (huge Roland thingamabobs) and also sell them.
Theoretically it could be 3D printer but used like a plotter here.
Pyramiden sind [?]auwerken
in Aegypten & Nordafrika.
Grabstaetten fr Pharaonen & Familien
Bekannteste Cheo…Pyramids are [?] architectural works
in Egypt & North Africa.
Tombs for Pharaohs and [their] families.
The most famous Cheo…The author replaced the missing Ä/ä in the stroke font with Ae/ae, which is only used in German in URLs, usernames and other places that don’t allow diacritics. However, the ü in für is still missing. This could only pass as handwritten notes at a glance even if the font replicates one’s handwriting perfectly. However, this is unlikely to be a real assignment for anyone over 12 years old (which I assume the author is because of the effort of repurposing a 3D printer and syncing up the lines) given that the answer is basically a Wikipedia page summary.
Teachers must be stupid af to believe its hand writen, but ill pretend they are. Just drop some blood and sweat on first page so they feel uncofortable to ask anything
This one probably. I do remember this video of someone actually making one that a professional forgery expert flat out said was convincing enough that he would have believed it was handwriting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQO2XTP7QDw
So, first you need to learn how to set up the printer, then fetch the bot produced text, review (hopefully), load it to the printer, run a test to determine it every part is working, run the “print”, review it…
I’d risk doing it yourself would be quicker
Hear me out:
Run a script remotely when you’re teacher is giving your homework!
I’ll pass.
spend an hour writing or 10 hours failing to automate it
The first time maybe
How busy is your life that you can’t be bothered to actually study to learn?
If they know “how to set up the printer, then fetch the bot produced text, review (hopefully), load it to the printer, run a test to determine it every part is working, run the “print”, review it…”
Then I’d say they are more prepared for the future they’re inheriting than their peers that have to study and learn how to rig this bad boy up.
But anyway it’s just a gag so…
You aren’t wrong, in part at least, but I guarantee you that the person who doesn’t have to set this thing up because they can quickly process information and produce compelling content on their own, without the aid of an LLM, will have a cognitive and competitive advantage in life. This may not be obvious when you are young and still in school.
They’re not, really. 3D printing simply hasn’t taken off as promised and society is collapsing all around us anyway.
Plus he is making himself wholly dependent on corporate proprietary software to express thoughts for him, meaning now he cannot speak for himself or articulate his own ideas, leaving him vulnerable to whatever tech giants want.
What happens when Chat GPT starts censoring answers, or makng shit up and the teacher catches him? Or he has to use the skills he is supposed to be learning on the fly (which happens all too often, especially critical thinking skills) without access to his workshop? Is he going to carry a 3D printer wherever he goes?
He is really selling himself short by using the few skills he has to get around learning anything else useful. That’s the kind of mindset that is going to cause civilization to collapse, prevent progress, allow fascists to take advantage of the fact that he is uneducated to brainwash him, and endanger himself and those he loves.
Entirely too smart of a take for this thread. All OOP is doing is ensuring he’s replaceable with AI
The chat GPT interface is literally the simplest part of the whole solution. It requires wiring custom GCODE compiler from vector text and of course converting text to vector graphics. I bet this guy easily could learn anything he wanted to use and is one of the creative guys this society actually runs on in the long term.
And not a single ounce of that is going to help him in any respect other than getting some hits on a video, unless he finds very niche specialty work using 3D printers which in the U.S. simply does not exist.
He still needs the understanding he can only obtain by actually learning material himself to be able to do anything actually useful.
Niche? Are you a lunatic? The 3D printing industry is one of the fastest growing fields in the world. 3D printing is getting cheaper and cheaper compared to eg. CNC machining. The industry is a very important one, because it allows you to create accurate parts much more quickly that to drill a block of metal. And all this not even mentioning that this required mostly general computer science skill, I hope you won’t call the computer science field niche?
CNC also runs on GCODE
You think CNC machines aren’t being used, like literally everywhere?
Nice thing about AI is, there’s more than just ChatGPT out there. And many actually are open and you can run them at home if you want.
Our government ruined everything by not regulating those scam algorithms when they had a chance. 🤦
?XD
Let’s look at your arguments:
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3d printing hasn’t taken off: I think you underestimate just how important rapid prototyping and additive manufacturing has been in industry. Just because you don’t see it doesn’t make it unimportant. Here you can see some aircraft brackets that were 3d printed. https://www.metal-am.com/amgta-shows-additive-manufacturings-role-in-lightweighting-aircraft-engine-bracket/
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Corporate proprietary software. Neither cad nor LLMs are strictly corporate proprietary software. And I hate to break it to you but corporate proprietary software is not inherently evil and is commonly required in academic and professional environments. https://openscad.org/ https://medium.datadriveninvestor.com/list-of-open-source-large-language-models-llms-4eac551bda2e
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He cannot speak for himself… It’s better to parrot correct ideas than to articulate incorrect ones. Joking aside I don’t see where you got this idea from, it seems he has plenty of creativity and aptitude for independent thought.
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What happens when chatgpt starts censoring answers. Most llms are already censored and by their architecture they are specifically designed to make shit up. So any reasonable implementation would review and edit the output, a point you yourself already caught on to so again I fail to see your point here.
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Is he going to carry a 3d printer? I remember hearing the same thing about calculators.
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Your doom and gloom conclusion. LLMs are a tool that can be leveraged effectively or can be used to fuck yourself over quite quickly. However your ludditical (ludditicarian, luddilicious, luddite-loving, what’s the right word here?) prevent progress, allow fascists to take advantage of the fact that you are uneducated and endanger our society and those you love.
And don’t criticize What you can’t understand. Your sons and your daughters Are beyond your command. Your old road is rapidly agin’ Please get out of the new one If you can’t lend your hand. For the times they are a-changin’
Let’s not.
Let’s watch you stop enabling other Americans to avoid being educated and watch you uplift our country instead of allowing it to collapse.
Let’s watch you encourage young people to learn and help them do something meaningful instead of pushing people to become wholly dependent on corporate proprietary software that will lie, censor, send your deepest darkest secrets into the sweaty hands of marketing firms and tech giants, (and the open source garbage isn’t better at all, because it can be updated to do the same without the knowledge you are rejecting), and enfeeble you completely.
Let’s watch you actually think about and debate the points without copying and pasting answers you just printed out from Chat GPT.
Let’s watch you do literally anything other than convince me more and more to ban the use of such tech when I get my own organizations going, and fire anyone who is caught using it. And the other industrious millennials and zoomers who will whip past you while you sit around being spoonfed scraps.
And don’t criticize
What you can’t understand
Your sons and your daughters
Are beyond your command Your old road is rapidly agin’ Please get out of the new one If you can’t lend your hand For the times they are a-changin’
And Act 2 of the motherfucking show: hiding behind aggressive personal attacks and accusations, and appealing to stereotypes about generational divided to legitimize BLATANTLY unethical and immoral behavior.
Learning and life is for humans, not for AI to help people pretend to learn just to pass a class. You have to learn to engage with life on this planet no matter how technologically advanced we become, and generative AI is not a step forward or progress, it is backward. It is regression. It is copyright infringement on a massive scale, it is plagiarism, it is theft, neatly hidden behind a digital wall.
And you are a morally bankrupt thief and scammer for supporting it.
How about educators evolve their tests instead of acting like it is the 1950’s still?
Everybody has a calculator everywhere at all times, head calculations just aren’t as useful anymore.
Instead of writing pages on topics by hand like some medieval peasant, how about teaching some critical reading of multiple sources through the use of AI synopsis?
Skills evolve over time. Writing cursive was once an extremely important skill. Now everything is digital and it became useless.
So if a task can be completed by copy pasting ChatGPT results, it isn’t an effective teaching tool anymore.
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yeah but is it as fun?
Bravo, that assignment gets an A+ with demonstrating why scripts are made
Why is it writing German words with “ae” instead of the umlaut (ä)? That makes sense, if you’re typing on a keyboard, but ChatGPT should be capable of outputting umlauts and it shouldn’t be difficult either, to make that 3D printer place two dots above an “a”…
It also ignored the “ü” in “für” completely and wrote “fr” instead. This is just stupid. Like fr?
Maybe he is swiss, they have some weird quirks. Like they don’t do the ß either I believe. Maybe they don’t use Umlaute. I’d ask them, but I can’t understand them when they talk. That is not even a joke.
We dont use ae as ä. We also use Umlauts :)
The only orthographic difference is not using ß.
There are more differences but they are in the vocabulary. The Swiss use a lot of French words. Velo instead of Fahrrad, Trottoir instead of Bürgersteig, Cheminée instead of Kamin, Porte-Monnaie instead of Brieftasche, Camion instead of Lastkraftwagen, and so on.
They also differ by region a lot. In Zurich you’ll see fewer french words and more anglicisms.
Y’all silly. They already have machines that write stuff out for you with pens and stuff. And markers, too.
I have one! A Cricut. But there are more kinds out there.
I was thinking about that, but the lines, kerning, and consistency would give it away. Unless you have some app that’ll fuck with all that a bit.
This was the exact video I was hoping it would be.
Stuff Made Here is an absolute treasure
It probably wouldn’t be too difficult to have an ai analyze someone’s handwriting pattern, then replicate it and feed that into a 3d printer or cnc.
