Republicans: “Once they are born, they are no longer our problem.”
I’m shocked, who would have thought that no gun control whatsoever could result in gun deaths.
I mean we can even recycle the idiotic NRA logic to show that: The only thing stopping bad gun control is good gun control.
The study looked for disparities and trends in the data. As before, firearm deaths were largely in older teens, with 83 percent of deaths in teens ages 15 to 19. Most were among males, who accounted for 85 percent of the deaths. Black children remained disproportionally affected, with the gap widening—50 percent of the deaths were among Black children. The death rate among Black children and teens increased from 16.6 per 100,000 in 2020 to 18.9 per 100,000, the largest increase among the racial categories.
Be careful, people might construe this to mean black young men and boys are killing each other at absurd rates.
As for intent, 64 percent of the 2021 firearm deaths were from homicides and 30 percent were from suicides, with the remainder from unintentional shootings. Homicide rates increased across all age groups, which was part of a multi-year trend. Between 2018 and 2021, homicides increased 66 percent in the 0–4 and 5–9 age groups. For kids aged 10–14, homicides increased 100 percent, and 62 percent in teens 15–19.
That’s 4% of these deaths being accidents, that is, the result of guns. In all other cases, gun use was the result of someone wanting to kill someone else or themselves.
Let’s do the math here. The article says 5.8 deaths per 100,000. That’s 0.0058% of young people dying from guns. What’s 4% of 0.0058%? 0.000232%. That’s a rounding error. It’s a travesty for every one of these families, every single one of which had a gun in their house of their own volition. Not much of a widespread societal problem though.
The racial disparity in homicides was stark, with the rate of deaths among Black children being 11 times higher than that of white children. For suicides, white children accounted for 78 percent of the deaths.
Again, be careful, someone might conclude that black teenage boys are running around joining gangs and killing each other at record rates. Best just leave race out of these studies in the future lest you be called a racist.
This also throws up another “odd” consistency between various types of crimes, be it related to guns, cars, sexual violence, whatnot: Men. It’s virtually always men.
That’s 4% of these deaths being accidents, that is, the result of guns. In all other cases, gun use was the result of someone wanting to kill someone else or themselves.
Though to murder someone you need motive, means and opportunity. Restricting/removing guns takes a huge chunk out of the latter two parts. Plus it’s not like we need to look at things in isolation: There’s an odd through-line between the US and youth deaths and other western industrial nations and their - comparative lack of - youth deaths. If only it were possible to figure out what that is… 🤔
That’s because men are naturally more aggressive.
There are a lot of different things that make america more dangerous to young people than guns. The culture is less united, more individualistic and more violent. 1950s US had equal access to guns as today, and probably a higher per capita gun ownership rate, and had fewer murders and suicides. Why stick to western industrial nations? A gun ban is a gun ban, less guns per capita is less opportunity to use a gun no matter if the government has nukes or not. “The West” is an arbitrary distinction here. America is not like Europe, it is more like the rest of the Americas culturally and historically, all of which have higher murder rates than Europe, and all of which have less guns per capita and more restrictive gun laws than the US. Some of them even have higher murder rates.
There are several countries in the world with higher rates of murder with less guns per capita, almost all of which have much stronger gun restrictions, and at least one with a higher suicide rate. Why don’t we figure out what that odd line is that differentiates them from Europe. I highly doubt it’s gun availability.
If you count US states individually rather than aggregating the whole federation of 50 sovereign states with their own gun laws, and 350 million people, which would be akin to aggregating the EU as one country and so less accurate, the state of Maine is safer than any European country. It has some of the least restrictive gun laws anywhere in the US.
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The structure of government in the US is unlike any other country. The States actually are sovereign, but cede certain sovereign duties to the federal government, such as coining money and diplomatic relations. The US is not a country. The federal government cannot pass laws restricting the sovereignty of States within the bounds of the constitution. They aren’t provinces. If Wales passed a law legalizing any and all gun ownership tomorrow it would be superseded by the UK Parliament, this is not the case for US states. They are states in the truest sense, they are sovereign. You have to differentiate them particularly on this topic because they all have such different gun laws.
Wealth doesn’t make a country developed, western or any of that. The US is largely undeveloped, in most of the country (using the term loosely here for lack of a better word) the only sign of development is paved highways. Japan is significantly more developed for example, not in the west. It’s democratic too. Japan is the “at least one country” I referenced earlier with a higher suicide rate than the US. It’s actually the only country in the world where, when guns were banned, crime went down. If suicide were illegal there I doubt that would be the case.
If you’re trying to get at what the cause of the violence is, you have to compare the US to all the countries. What’s the cause? If it were only the abundance of guns then those countries wouldn’t have the murder rates they do, developed or not. We can reasonably ignore the murder rate in countries like Somalia with an ineffective state, or Mexico too if you want where gun ownership is practically banned but everyone has them. Even those though, guns per capita can be measured against murder and other violent crime, because guns per capita is a fact irrespective of effective bans. But countries like Argentina, Brazil, rich with natural resources, having functional democracies and enforceable gun laws, still have violent crime rates and murder rates significantly higher than Europe, on par with the US. What does the US have in common with those countries? It can’t be “black people” like you hear from some types, because Argentina has almost none, they’re almost all white people. It certainly isn’t language, or the UK would have a violent crime problem too. I posit that it isn’t guns because of all the arguments I’ve made.
Personally I think it is that we all share a history of carving nations out of rugged land, disparate peoples, and unruliness and rebellion. You’ll notice that violent crime is higher in other countries that fought for independence too, such as some in Africa, some middle eastern countries where the state doesn’t crucify people, and some parts of Asia. You see countries where there’s a lot of crime in Africa for example, or even failing states, we even go so far as to rightly blame it on the fact that the borders were drawn uniting disparate peoples under one state, yet never apply that same logic to America, a state governing many, many disparate peoples, some of which have centuries old grudges against one another, you year it attributed to being developing, or in other words, carving a state out of rugged land, and they in many cases also have a history of unruliness and rebellion very similar to the Americas, what with their very recent revolutions to end the yoke of colonialism. Carving a functioning country from the dirt, uniting many disparate people and rebelling against oppression are a bloody business and breed aggressive people.
As far as the suicides go, I think it has to do with a lot of things. Popular culture that glorifies depression and self harm, perceived lack of prospects, school environments that are very unhealthy and include bullying, locking down of all behavior and an almost complete lack of actual education. For adults you see suicide rates highest in divorced men and veterans, I wouldn’t attribute those to gun ownership. The environment very much matters more so than the tools in your vicinity when it comes to suicide.
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you don’t say!
To be clear, guns are only the #1 cause of death among American children and teens if you count those teens who also are legal adults — the 18- and 19-year-olds.
For minors ages 1 to 17, guns are #2; the #1 cause of death is cars.
Well ackshully 11th graders and below are the only children that matter. If you survive until 12th year or graduate and die of a gun shot, you dont matter.
I want you to read what you wrote out loud so you can have the full auditory experience of how boneheaded what you said is.
Well ackshully people’s frontal lobes don’t finish developing until they’re 26, so 20-25 year olds should also be considered children and have their vote, right to drink etc stripped.
I want you to read what you wrote out loud and so on and so on. We call legal adults “adults.”
And to continue this conversation, !fuckcars@lemmy.world is probably where you’d most productively do it.
Well, only the 2nd biggest cause of death?
Thank you so much for pointing that out!!!
And here I was thinking it was an problem!!
Silly Me!
Yeah that really changes everything.
Stop making gun laws everyone, it’s not the number one reason for children dying!
I know, I know, thank you. Ok. So anyways the bar is open until 4. Thank you for coming out.
18-19 is still the teen years though. When we say teenager, we mean 13-19. We don’t asterisk 18-19. And when looking at the largest cause of death in cars they still go through 19 when doing comparisons like this, the data for the Journal of Pediatric medicine. And comparing the two groups, this is very true in 1-19 guns surpassed car deaths. But that doesn’t hold for each age in the group. Gun deaths in 1 year olds are exceedingly rare. You can parse it however you want but up through 19 as a whole has guns winning. Homicide by gun was up 66% in 0-4 group is just crazy. That is a group you do not expect to die by guns.
Well, glad I didn’t get hit and killed by a car as a teen.
Did you get shot to death?
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Of course they do.
When guns are treated like fashion accessories for men and gun control stops as soon as you leave the sight of the range master, shit’s gonna happen.
Remember: politicians don’t give a fuck about kids. if they did, they’d do something about the guns and school shootings.
Not all, but the loudest so the only ones the media covers.
State poverty levels were also tightly linked with pediatric firearm death rates, the study found.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
As the COVID-19 pandemic took hold in 2020, so did another grim reality: For the first time, guns became the leading cause of death for American children and teenagers, surpassing car accidents, the long-standing leader.
“Louisiana had the highest death rate per 100,000 persons (17.0), followed by Mississippi (14.8), Alabama (11.4), Montana (11.1), and South Carolina (10.2).”
The authors speculated that this could be due to “variability in social determinants of health, inequity, firearm access, legislation, and access to preventative strategies (violence intervention, suicide prevention, firearm safety).”
State poverty levels were also tightly linked with pediatric firearm death rates, the study found.
In all, the authors called for more data to understand the deadly trend and develop prevention strategies.
“These findings highlight the necessity and urgency of real-time epidemiologic surveillance of this epidemic and implementation of evidence-informed strategies to prevent pediatric firearm fatalities among children and adolescents at highest risk,” the authors wrote.
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So more kids are shot where there are more lax gun laws; who could have ever foreseen that?
but hey, they are .000001% better protected you despite the elevated risk of child death in multiple contexts (school and home)
and they can still shoot paper things, because those guns are really for sport
People with guns in their houses are more likely to be pro-gun voters.
Surprisingly, people with guns in their houses are also more likely to have access to a gun and/or use a gun.
I have a gun in my house; I haven’t registered it because I have no clue how. I also don’t let children come over to my house because there’s an unsecured gun. If I can ever afford a proper lock for it, I’ll consider letting my nephews visit.
Of course, like a stereotypical Texan, I only have a gun because it was my grandfather’s shotgun.
Sounds like you have a few good reasons to get rid of it.
You could just Google how to register your gun in your state.
You don’t register guns in most states. Some even have laws banning gun registries. We don’t have a federal gun registry either.
If he still lives in Texas, he definitely has no registration requirements.
You don’t register guns in most state
Sheesh. Not even a gun registry? Wow. :(
Not really for guns that are passed down through families. There are some cases where you do need to register it, like if it is a full-auto antique that wasn’t previously registered.
I have gone through federal background checks for all of my firearms except one. In that case, it was registered at purchase by the original owner and transferred to me in a state that allowed it. It can still be easily traced back to me, so whatever.
He doesn’t have Internet access.
Library? Asking around?
I probably wouldn’t try to register a firearm at a library.
If it’s a pump action then a normal cable style lock would work, which you can get for free through Project Child Safe.
If you’re still in Texas you don’t have to register it.
Put it on the top shelf of your closet and don’t let your nephews go in your room. And/or, keep it unloaded.
If you go left enough you get to keep your guns
Yes, until the revolution is complete and your usefulness to the commissar has ended, after which you’re handed a pickaxe and told to go into the mines.
People with guns in their houses are also more prone to gun deaths.
Y’know what, at least it’s a naturally occurring solution to climate change
You can downvote me but you know I’m technically correct
It’s only effective if it’s really rich kids. And we know it would be actually solved then.
How is allowing the death of school children a solution to climate change? Do you believe that they will all grow up to be Fossil Fuel Executives?
