I just realised, I can’t post anything on lemmy.ml
So, I checked https://lemmy.ml/modlog, there’s a new moderator.
All posts and comments talking about China, Jinping, Russia, and Putin have been deleted and users banned
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Well, it seems to me that all of the removed posts seem to be accompanied by valid reasons as to why they were removed. Maybe it would help if people read the actual posts/post titles that were removed instead of bandwagoning on dumping on lemmy.ml.
dumping on lemmy.ml
I just had an idea call the dump-tank where we troll tankies and post their retorts and laugh at them.
Oh fuck thats on lemmy, i thought it was reddit.
We gotta fix that, of course when a discussion gets out of control/racist we ought to lock it, maybe a warning and disclaimer. but i see no justification for fully removing these.
I am all for a temporary defederation.
.world has power. It has the people and the content. Flexing a little in support of human rights is 100% a good thing.
I’m also for that.
Coming from Reddit, the very existence of this thread is a breath of fresh air. That there are mod logs at all to be able to document this, that there is a place where it can be posted that is not under control of the mods being criticized, is an enormous improvement over an unaccountable centralized platform.
The other beautiful thing is that if you aren’t satisfied with the behavior of mods and admin on one instance, there are literally hundreds of others to choose from. You aren’t stuck dealing with bad actors if you want to participate. And if moderation of a particular community upsets the users, they are free to move to or create a similar community on a different instance.
The major downside of this is that it’s going to create echo chambers, but that’s unavoidable. It’s not like this is a new problem. Communities that reject outside ideas outright have existed long before the internet.
Fuck these tankies man. I’m as leftist as they come and I HATE what these people are doing to the cause. We want healthcare and equal rights, and these loonies are dragging us all down with their fascination for those horrible fascist regimes (it takes 2 braincells to realize the CCP is 1984 incarnate).
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I’m at the same time horrified and fascinated by them. I saw a comment that accused NATO of causing he war to “drag on”. When I brought up that Russia could just leave, I got people unironically replying that Ukraine was the aggressor in the war and that it was Ukraine committing genocide and attacks on civilians. I understand that I could be trapped in a western bubble… but really? I didn’t bother asking for a source because I’m sure the only source for that misinformation is the Kremlin. What’s crazy is that you would think the Russian shills would be spread out trying to infect other communities with disinformation, instead they all flock to this echo chamber apparently, so it seems likely that they genuinely believe this stuff.
Sorry to say that it always was authoritarian. Lemmy was created for authoritarian tankies and bigots to spout their hatred.
Originally written by EnglishMobster@lemmy.world
See their post announcing Lemmy: https://www.reddit.com/r/communism/comments/cqgztr/fuck_the_white_supremacist_reddit_admins_want_me/
Hey all, longtime Marxist-leninist, recorder of left audiobooks, and megathread shitposter here.
Posting this in light of a recent one week Reddit ban I earned for shitting on US police, as I’m sure many of us have gotten in recent weeks.
So I’ve spent the past few months working on a self hostable, federated, Reddit alternative called Lemmy, and it’s pretty much ready to go. Unlike here we’d have ultimate control over all content, and would never have to self censor.
Obviously as communists, we agitate where the people are, so we should never abandon Reddit entirely, but it’s been clear to all of us from day one, that communities like this stand on unsteady ground, and could be banned or quarantined at any moment by the white supremacist Reddit admins. This would be both a backup and a potentially better alternative. Moderation abilities are there, as well as a slur filter.
Raddle isn’t an option obviously since it’s run by this arch anti tankie scum, ziq.
I wanted to ask ppl here if they’d like me to host an instance, and mod all the current mods here.
The instance that post mentions at the end became Lemmygrad. Lemmy.ml and Lemmygrad are the same people, and the creators of Lemmy hosted Lemmygrad (and are thus admins there).
This was their first post announcing Lemmy as a real thing you could go use. (It’s also why a good chunk of the Threadiverse is absolutely infested with tankies.)
Feel free to check out meanwhileongrad for countless examples of this hateful content–fully encouraged and even repeated by the developers of lemmy themselves.
Hi there! Looks like you linked to a Lemmy community using a URL instead of its name, which doesn’t work well for people on different instances. Try fixing it like this: !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works
Sick of lemming shenanigans? Come to kbin.social. It’s better here, like an internet Jamacia - a land of special people where champions grow. Aussie local instance at kglitch.social.
Their “anti-Orientalism” (read as pro-tankie) policy has been known for a good while.
Hang on what. Could you expand on this?
Sure, there was a post back in June posted in !worldnews@lemmy.ml about a dam in Ukraine being destroyed. Obviously a contentious topic. There were several threads speaking poorly of Russia and its administration, many such threads were deleted and users banned, with “Orientalism” typically cited as the reason in the modlog.
It’s the admins’ right to dictate what is or isn’t acceptable. Generally they are hands off on most topics, but Anti-Russia, anti-China sentiment is looked down upon by admins and often removed/banned within lemmy.ml. Just saying that this choice of new moderator doesn’t change their moderation philosophy, it only complements it.
That’s a weird description to give it in the mod log.
Anyway it’s fairly obvious to anyone who isn’t a tankie that their leadership bans dissent and wrongthink. Imagine if places banned you for calling someone a lib like .ml folks love to.
Always has been.
It’s one of the reasons why lemmy never really took off until the great reddit migration despite having a decent software product.
Go to !worldnews@lemmy.world for less censorship
Is this post just crying because you got banned? Why not just wait the 13 days to ride it out?
Lemmy.ml isn’t even your instance, and posting in .world isn’t going to reverse your ban.
.ML was always explicitly leftist, and run by communists. They’re just nice and try for a reasonably ideologically diverse community.
You clearly aren’t interested in following their rules (your use of the racist comparison of Xi and Winnie the Pooh breaks their “no bigotry” rule, and you can’t seem to post sourced posts that fit their communities.)
Why aren’t you interacting on instances you want to be on, and that want the kind of interactions you offer?
lmao cope and seethe commie
Cope and seethe because… It’s lame for OP to crybully about a temp ban, of a single community, on an instance that isn’t even theirs?
This is the corniest attempt to stir controversy.
tankies + fedidrama = classic lemmy
Never thought the official lemmy instance itself would have to be part of a temporary defed
The creator kept a low profile during the reddit emigration. And since there were posts and comments about China, CCP and Jinping too. I thought it will be fine 👀
He brought in Hexbear in an attempt to silence the criticism towards China, but they quickly defederated themselves–So now I suppose he’s just banning things outright.
That is not what happened.
When the Lemmy software was first created, the original Hexbear (it had a different name, then) created a fork. A development or two down the line and the two forks were incompatible. The Hexbear devs started working on a fix long before the Reddit API-debacle exodus. It wasn’t easy because the fork added features that were incompatible with, let’s say, vanilla Lemmy until recently. The Hexbear devs eventually made the fixes, which made federation possible again. And the long-planned re-federation occurred. The timing is a coincidence.
As for federation, Hexbear asked it’s community which instances should be federated. To maintain the friendly culture of Hexbear, there was an agreement to only federate with a few instances. Before that happened, dotworld defederated preemptively. Since then, I have no idea whose federated or defederated with who because I quickly lost interest with the drama.
I should say that I’d never used Hexbear before federation with my instance. I learned all this because it’s publicly available knowledge. After federation, with all the drama, I searched ‘federation’ and some similar search terms on Hexbear communities and learned what I’ve just explained. The key point is that you don’t need a conspiracy theory to explain motives for and the chronology of federation because, like the modlogs, the relevant conversations are still available to read.
To be clear, I agree with lemmy.ml on this, but I’m not interested in arguing that stance.
Instead, I think the more important piece of this is that this just further validates the fact that people should be using smaller instances. A more diverse set of Lemmy instances allows defederation to be used more freely as an actual moderation tool.
Someone who posts something an admin on another instance dislikes may see themselves banned from appearing on that instance, which when you have just two or three large instances serving all the content, is an effective shadowban on 1/3rd of the platform. More smaller instances minimizes the impact of defederation, banning, etc.
Anyways, stop only using lemmy.ml, lemmy.world, kbin.social, and lemmy.ee. It’s fine to start out there, but find a niche and an instance that fits that niche, then move over there. If you’re making a community, consider putting it on a smaller niche instance that would more specifically fit your content and federating it to the bigger instances manually.
We’re all power users in here, so it’s not as if it’s a big deal to move, though apparently 0.19 will have some tooling to assist in that.
In my country we have antifa for antifascists. Are you here some kind of anti-tankies? Because I see far, far more posts about antitankies fighting supposed tankies than I see people fighting fascists.
Tankies ARE fascists! Like all communists.
So Trump is communist? Since when?
Us VS them totalitarian mentality. Doesn’t matter how you call these fucks, they all are the same.
Yet, but specifying this, you focus the discussion on the flaws of the left, rather than the actual fascists who are training, arming, and preparing coops in the western world, like they did in the US not so long ago.
Yet here we are talking about how communists are also fascists…
They ARE actual fascists, that’s the thing.
