While I do agree that most things in life are somehow connected to politics and that it needs to be discussed, when I come somewhere, in real life or online, and I want to chill out, I really don’t want to hear about it. Political communities exist, even here on Lemmy. Let’s keep politics out of cooking, meme, and other not politically oriented communities please :)
I once got warned in a discord server for being political. Brought up that everything was politics and they backed off.
About a week later I got hints that they might be a bit of a nazi bar which was confirmed when I called it out.
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Freedom of association = (meeting with friends) that’s definitely political
Barbecue = relatively safe to use and won’t explode because of government regulation, politics.
Jalapeño poppers = safe to eat due to food safety standards, again politics.
Conversation with friends = regulated by societal norms and acceptable behaviours, an output of the political environment - ‘let’s not talk about Trump or abortion to keep it “civil”’
Games/books/puzzle = function of the economy regulated by the government and laws. Consumer protections etc etc
I know you’re trying to be dismissive and funny but yeah…you’re just proving the point.
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Does anyone ever talk to you in real life?
Absolutely.
Imaginary friends count right?
Some people do this and have a grand ole time with no concerns
Some people do the exact same thing and have police called on them every time because they “must be up to something.”
So yep, political.
The very fact you’re able to do all of this is an effect of politics. And there are people that also would like to have similar rights to exist the way the feel is right for them, but they can’t.
The very fact that they’re able to do all of this is also an effect of the mitochondria in their cells. But if people tell me to stop talking about mitochondria 24/7, then I should just find a group of other mitochondria enthusiasts to interact with instead of ranting about how I’m ““right”” to make everything about mitochondria.
You’ve got a point but they kinda are y’know, the powerhouse of the cell
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The left can’t meme
Go blame immigrants
The world isn’t divide in two
You literally started so don’t even try.
You are the one falsely accusing me. i live in a country that has open its borders to immigrants since its very beginning and has received millions of them and im deeply proud of it.
You people need to chill. Again, the world isn’t divide in two
I have the impression that you didn’t get what I‘m talking about. So let me explain:
The meme this person made is saying „everything is political“. Wether the meme is funny or not, it is not conveying a particular political leaning imo.
But you had to bash „the left“ without any reason, hinting that you are on the opposite side.
Taking your unprovoked bashing back to you, I accused you of being anti immigration (also without any evidence).
And now you know how it feels getting bashed for no reason. Instead of being a good sport about it or taking the joke further (like, idk „go cry to stalin.“) you decided to play the victim.
This is the reason why the actual joke „the right cant meme“ is so funny. Because right wing jokes are very easy to grasp and „on the nose“ because right-wing ideology historically appeals to the uneducated with easy answers and strong leadership figures.
Granted, the joke in question here is not really complex either.
Theoretically, politics is defined as anything where decisions are made to solve conflicts. However, this is ‘broad politics’. A much more common interpretation of politics adds the requirement of it not only being a single, but regular occurrence or rather the main job of someone. Ergo, politicians of a country, or part of it, and their decisions .
Replying “everything is politics” to someone expressing they do not want to talk about politics is like telling someone their offspring cannot be called “kid” anymore as they are over 18 now, after a mother cried that their “kid died of cancer”. It’s technically correct, but you’re a major annoying asshole or just plain stupid to persist on the meaning that was not intended.
As I do not believe there are that many people with a room temperature IQ, in C, or maybe autistic people for that matter, which of course are not responsible, only one explanation remains. If you, or anyone else repeating this pattern, is not an asshole, they should just shut up, or argue for politics if they really want to discuss this topic. A much better solution would be to move to politics only instances tho.No, that’s not what they mean.
Hmmmmm you sould like a rightoid 🧐🤔 /s
Seriously, OP is straw-manning. There’s not this much politics on other sites. Lemmy has a ton of tankies so everything is about communism here
Yeah, when I’m doing the whole “no politics” thing it’s because the same issues keep being rehashed and even if I’m invested in them it still gets unpleasant when a conversation becomes circular.
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They need to more precisely say what they mean, then.
No, they really don’t. For most of us, “stop making everything political” is a simple and clear request that can be fulfilled with 0 follow-up questions.
Now all I can imagine is a Simpsons character named Political Perry who struggles to live in a society not interested in politics as much as a second year college student.
Wife left with the kids, doesn’t get invited to social events, nothing in life going right for him, but he doesn’t understand why.
“Oh, shit. It’s Political Perry. Once asked the guy if he wanted ketchup and was ranted to about the corporate exploitation of the agricultural sector for half an hour. No one look.”
That sounds exactly like something the Simpsons would do. Either that, or it would be Lisa it happens to.
Yeah, I imagined someone like Gill, but aggressively political instead of constantly shattered by luck. Instead of getting sympathy from the audience, they get facepalms and, “Oh my god, I have this guy at work…”
Jesus christ you’re insufferable.
We all know Jesus can’t save us now.
You better watch out. It takes Jesus 4.5 seconds to get to earth
Shit, he’s closer than the sun! How long is it relative to him?
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Bad meme and bad opinion.
No u
I disagree.
You’re wrong.
Not a little wrong, just, wrong.
Go and talk to a politic science professor and they will tell you this.
You can’t escape politics because it’s linked to power.
Power structures affect everything in our society therefore politics affects everything.
When someone doesn’t want to ‘make it political’ all they are really doing is attempting to preserve an existing power structure they are a beneficiary of.
Ever considered that politics is not always the essence of everything? I don’t care that fundamentally everything may be political. I don’t care that we are made up of millions of tiny organisms. I care about the things I care. And that’s not your political agenda.
Politics is not the essence of everything “To YOU” because you won the genetic/sociopolitical lottery. You sit comfortably atop the suffering of the “other,” who does not have the luxury of playing this apolitical card.
I really didn’t won the genetic/sociopolitical lottery…
You’re apathetic about it because you benefit from the current structure.
You don’t have to care when you’re already a winner.
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Yes I do benefit and I think it’s unjust which is why I’m a socialist.
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you make socialists look bad
I don’t think you care about their optics beyond brow beating them for having an opinion that upsets you.
Uh no on the contrary. My true self is apparently appalling and unnatural.
Did you ever consider maybe it’s just people already talk about politics in a lot of other places, and don’t need to talk about it literally 24/7?
When I am cranking it to a model on Only Fans, that’s what I want to think about, not about what politicians may have paid to lick their butthole privately.
So yeah, everything is absolutely political, but sometimes you need a few degrees of separation.
Great but you see when you say ‘I don’t care about other people’ then we loudly don’t want to care about you back. That is pretty much it, I don’t know why you need to foghorn that you are selfish, is it to rile up others to violence in name of their selfishness? Explain why you have to explain that you don’t need something so badly, we dont need anything if we dont wish to live so whats the actual fucking point here to "DONT NEED IT’ except to also say “OR ELSE” which is… ALSO A POLITICAL STATEMENT OR ELSE.
Just because it’s important doesn’t mean we aren’t allowed to have happy conversations that don’t involve politics which is basically what you are saying we should never do.
Just talk about the happy politics. /s
Remember when Regan got Alzheimer’s?
Lol good times
Remember when Thatcher died?
Funniest shit I ever heard.
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Sometimes people just want to freely discuss stuff without the overarching politics.
Did you ever think about that?
Then they should say that instead of trying to refute that just about everything is political because just about everything is political.
They literally are? If they are having a discussion and someone brings politics up, “stop making everything political” would mean what else than I don’t want politics in this discussion…?
Thats literally an attempted refutation of everything is inherently political. Its already political, no one you’re talking to made it political, they just reminded you of something you tried to ignore. So again if you just dont want to talk about politics, just say that instead of trying to refute that pretty much everything is inherently political. Words have meaning, say what you mean, because implying that the person you’re talking to is making thing political is different from saying ‘hey im not trying to talk about politics’ and it doesn’t automatically mean the same thing as “Why do you make everything political”, especially in forms of communication like text only. Hell, one of them is a question and the other is a statement, so why would anyone who doesn’t want to talk about politics prompt someone with a question that in guaranteed to get an answer that’s directly about politics?
Only if you incorrectly take it that way, in the context of the conversation, it would mean, you’re trying to make this political, fuck off.
People can only respond to the words on the screen, not the ones you wanted to say, if you ask someone a question expect an answer. I can’t make it simpler.
Go to a physics professor and they’ll tell you everything is physics. Go to a math professor and they’ll tell you everything is math. Go to a philosophy professor and they’ll tell you everything is philosophical.
Not everything is about power inherently. People can and often will make almost anything about power. But it’s not inherent to the thing. But you might disagree.
However the degree to which things are political can vary greatly. Would you agree? Voting at the presidential elections is a more political act than watching birds or playing with my kids.
I think what people mean in your view’s context is that they’d like to keep memes away which directly refer to a topic which is to a high degree politicized. Instead they prefer memes which are at maximum very indirectly related to politics.
I’m sure you know that but this is my one try at a good faith discussion.
I don’t disagree with you about each professor thinking their subject is the most relevant.
That’s interesting in and of it self though, maybe people should consider looking through things using different lenses. When they don’t look at a topic as political, maybe they should, perhaps it’d give a perspective they hadn’t previously considered.
In saying people want to keep memes away from politics, the problem is if you accept my premise that anything can relate to politics it’s functionally not possible to keep memes away from politics.
So instead what’s left is actually control on the discourse of what memes we can make and those we can’t. Or rather ‘which ones are political’ (not acceptable) and ‘which ones aren’t political’ (acceptable).
Now practically I agree the bow gets longer to draw on a meme relating to beef stroganoff but who gets to decide the boundary line? I assert no one gets to decide because the boundary doesn’t ever exist. All memes have a political component so to attempt to stifle discussion based on a memes political content is useless.
This is why people who say ‘let’s not make it political’ are really just saying ‘I don’t want you to talk about that topic because it’s unacceptable to me and not something I want to address’ - cool thanks for expressing your opinion, next time not saying anything would be better.
Now practically I agree the bow gets longer to draw on a meme relating to beef stroganoff but who gets to decide the boundary line?
I think the boundary is set in this case by the community and ultimately by the moderators. Would it be an arbitrary and very fuzzy line? Sure. Will everyone like it? No. But that’s why it is good that one can simply make their own instances and communities. But I am glad we can agree that different degrees of closeness to politics do exist and that it is possible to differentiate them. You don’t think there is value in doing so as I understand it. And I think that’s a perfectly sensible point to take.
This is why people who say ‘let’s not make it political’ are really just saying ‘I don’t want you to talk about that topic because it’s unacceptable to me and not something I want to address’ - cool thanks for expressing your opinion, next time not saying anything would be better.
I think this is why your argument goes a bit into strawman territory. Your interpretation is pure guesswork and putting words in the mouth of others without giving them the benefit of the doubt.
For me personally it is simply that I don’t want to have heavily political discussions all the time. As you can probably see from this post here I don’t mind a good discussion. Political or otherwise. Although you’d probably argue that every discussion is political.
Sometimes I just want to look at funnies and not think about the complex power dynamics of societies and the world. That doesn’t mean I never want to discuss those. But I like to have places where I can go knowing it’s not that. And I think several people here want this memes community to be such a place.
People here don’t realise the boundary line of what constitutes acceptable political meme discourse is far away from their expectations.
This the Marxist-Leninist meme community.
If people ‘don’t want politics’ in their memes I’d suggest they go to a different community.
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My arguments about power are pretty well understood among social science academics. I didn’t come up with these ideas, I was taught them.
That aside, what do you think someone means when they say ‘let’s not talk about this topic’ do you not accept that’s an attempt to exercise power of what is acceptable discourse?
Who are they to decide?
I’d argue they are exercising covert power.
If you’re interested in the academic underpinnings of this view go read Lukes’ paper on the three faces of power.
Nope
literally everything is politics
how is nitrogen atom nr. 14729583929174 political?
Yes yes I used hyperbole.
Sue me.
yes I wrote “literally everything” but that does’nt mean that I meant “literally everything”
I can accept that
ok so now that we’ve established that there are things that aren’t political, it makes sense to say “don’t make everything political”, because there are in fact things that aren’t political (yet). however responding “literally everything is political, if you think otherwise, you’re profiting from the system” doesn’t make sense, since there are non political things
I don’t have time to explain how you moved the goal posts from:
Everything is politics does not literally mean all matter is comprised of politics (I.e. atoms are a thing)
To
Atoms exists therefore there are social issues that aren’t political.
All social issues remain political even in a world with atoms.
Edit: turns out I did have time.
Atoms exists therefore there are social issues that aren’t political.
I never said that and this isn’t my opinion.
you didn’t say “every social issue is political” (which I agree with btw), you said “everything is political”. and since “everything” includes atoms, they are either political and you’re right or they’re not and you’re wrong.
“literally everything is political”
ok then, can you remove the hyperbole and tell me the result?
(spoiler: they wont)
At least pick a noble gas
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Becauses a scientist says it exists and that made God cry so we gotta burn him.
And this is how you get from “everything is politics” to “we have to burn god”
Edit: After rereading the above I noticed the possibility of the scientist having to be burned
Rules are simple: both enter, one leaves.
Do we give them a lighter or something beforehand?
Emotional damage only.
Oh that would be even more interesting to watch
“Not everything is political”
=
“I am priveledged enough that my right to exist and thrive is never questioned or under fire, and things that I care about are protected by the status quo and the suppression of others”
It’s confronting for a cis gendered white male to accept they are the pinnacle of the power structure in western societies by serendipitous occurrence.
Some of the replies to this post make that clear.
Facts
The pinnacle of the power structure is wealth, not any of your liberal buzzwords.
buzzwords
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Regular words can seem like buzzwords when you’re ignorant.
Buzzwords can seem like regular words when you use them too much
Intersectionality and solidarity, dude
Acknowledging things beyond class isn’t liberalism, man. Socialists can be against racism, too…
I think you’re missing a glaring obvious issue there. It’s right there. Just look a little harder.
-cis gendered white guy (only sort of old)
Yep, s’all buzzwords.
Not marginalized people across the country clawing desperately for the right to mind their own business and live their life in peace as adherents to the status quo dedicate their free time to attacking them and arguing they don’t deserve recognition as people.
Just buzzwords. -.-
Yawn, do always just write in platitudes?
Florida now teaches that slavery was a good thing, but go off king
I exist in several categories of people who’s right to exist have been threatened many, many times throughout history, I agree that everything is political, or rather, that politics encompasses everything.
However, not every discussion should become politically oriented, as it’s not particularly the most productive in many cases. This is most prominent on the internet, where nuance, which is ESSENTIAL for productive political discourse, is often absent. I find much political discussion. This is especially true in dialogues where it is either discussed on a broad scale, or where it is discussed in a reactionary manner. When my answers to political topics are so often “it depends”, this stuff tends to be quite straining, especially when my attempts to create dialogue are shot down.
In short “not everything is political” exists because you’re either detailing a discussion to talk about how horrible everything is, or you’re on the internet and internet politics just suck.
“I am priveledged enough that my right to exist and thrive is never questioned or under fire, and things that I care about are protected by the status quo and the suppression of others”
so someone who this doesn’t apply to thinks that some random star in our neighbour galaxy is political?
Tell me how DN is political!
Thats the only thing i dont like about lemmy
Alright then:
breathes deep
The toilet paper is supposed to point away from you.
You have alerted the horde.
Whoa whoa whoa let’s not make it all political buddy.
Calm down satan
Over the top is the correct way and I will die* on this hill.
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- not really, at most I’d probably reply once, maybe twice, to a rebuttal if it is interesting. And then id just forget it. But oh boy, the next time it’s brought up, I’ll claim to die on that hill again.
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Alright, everyone, calm down. Let’s not kink-shame this guy for setting up his toilet paper to dom him every time he poops.
You reach for that shit-rag, you miserable degenerate. You don’t deserve to have it presented to you, and don’t let anyone tell you different!
Actually, I stand the roll on the edge of the counter like a true Chad