• Mothra@mander.xyz
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    I’ve seen some videos completely AI generated that looked flawless yesterday. Every day I feel more and more uncertain I’ll ever find a job again in the industry.

    • 🐑🇸 🇭 🇪 🇪 🇵 🇱 🇪🐑@lemmy.world
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      You mean the generated anime scene stuff? Those DO use sketch frames made by a real artist who then uses AI to combine t he em into animation!

      AI may be a crapshoot but it loves being given physical guidance. Don’t tell it to draw a person, sketch a person and then tell the AI to turn that into a person.

      Basic photoshop skills do work wonders. The better you are at art, the happier the AI will be to co-operate.

      (Source: I do earn a small amount helping fix AI generated art and frequently get asked to doodle up base material)

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          That’s not really unique, is it. Tech has always been working to increase output for a given unit of work or money. Animators used to sketch and record every frame. Then famous animators made key frames and outsourced 80% to sweatshops. Now you can animate scenes by layer and by object on your computer. I do have concerns about nefarious use (regarding both material and employment replacement) but this isn’t a distinct AI issue, it’s a normal greed issue with a new scapegoat

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          For me it means I can do something myself instead of needing help which I won’t get because I am not going to pay someone to do it. So instead of making my own web series I’ve passed up on the idea. Now I can because the mental and creative blocks I had have been resolved by talking to an AI that will help me develop the look of my character.

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        No, I don’t think I’ve seen that one unless it’s the corridor crew one, which to be fair still had a ton of work- but, no traditional animation though.

        I mean photorealistic stuff. And while it’s still not exactly at the same level of quality a studio can produce, the rate at which it’s progressing is jawdropping. It’s already rough getting an artistic job at a studio; in five years from now I’d be surprised if those jobs aren’t at least halved thanks to AI. Because as you said, AI cooperates really well.

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      As an artist I’ve been loving bing to help me model and design characters based on my descriptions. I’m good at knowing what I want and good at drawing and sculpting but the middle step is what I have trouble with.

      I’ve managed to create several new characters I’ve always wanted to and even put them in different poses and lighting and angles. It’s freaking awesome!

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        I am working on a homebrew for DnD 5e, may I know what tools you used? I have access to openai services ATM.

        I would like to try your iterative process to flesh out my characters!

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        Sure, it is awesome. That’s not my point. Did you find employment or are you making a livable income thanks to that though?

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          It’s a tool, like a calculator. Any expert in their field can derive usefulness from it by automating certain tasks. An experienced programmer or artist will always be able to answer interview questions for example.

          I think your question does not apply to OP. They are gainfully employed and use this tool to make their work more efficient and apparently able to create content they normally would not be able to.

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            To OP or to the person I was replying to? I think my first comment is relevant to the post, but the person who answered me next didn’t get what I was saying. Like I said, it is a very efficient tool. It means the work that required a team of, say, 5 people employing a specific workflow, can be now done by one or two with a totally different workflow. This means five people will have to retrain in a new field potentially not of their liking or matching with their natural abilities, and even if all five succeed you still have three out of work. That’s what I’m getting at, not the efficiency or usability of AI. Of course AI is incredibly useful.

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        Holy shit, finally an artist not wishing the death of all AI image generation.

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      It’s funny how in most old scifi they showed a future where we as a society had AI working labor intensive jobs but art was a human-only activity. I guess we didn’t account for how bad capitalism was going to overpower our value.

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        As of now, here is no humanoid AI robot replacing manual labor, just trained AI software/tools/APIs that run on computers and perform some specific and somewhat complex tasks.

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        I think artists like Andy Warhol and Jackson Pollock have done a lot to preserve the humanity of art. For Andy, he would never need an AI to generate a soup can. Even if he did it’s Andys commentary and perspective that is coveted. The same is true of the most intricate paintings or sculptures and their creators. Jackson showed us the act of making art is just as interesting as the art itself. An AI could pop out a million abstract pieces that looked exactly like a Pollock but… it will never be a Pollock. AI is no more a threat to art and the people who make art than the camera was.

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    The fact that one AI generated image looks incoherent or shitty doesn’t mean that all AI generated images are.

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      A lot of them are like that and that’s actually a good thing.

      It’ll be a little while before people can generate photographs that are indistinguishable from the real thing, completely destroying our ability to critically evaluate anything.

      So we still have time to stop it.

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        AI takes production out of the hands of corporations like Disney and into the hands of the people. You need a shit ton of money to hire hundreds of artists.

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            You’re like the people who got upset when calculators were first introduced into school systems because it would be detrimental to the way people learn. It’s a tool and those who are educated in their fields will utilize this to be more productive. It will not replace people wholesale.

            I understand your concerns but it is not as evil, clear cut as you imply.

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        People can already, one has even won a contest.

        You can use offline image generation tools like Stable Diffusion if you have a powerful enough machine. Also, if someone generates an incoherent image and keeps it, it’s mostly for the sake of it, because you can try generating the image over and over again until something good comes out while tweaking the prompt and the negative prompt.

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          Man, my faith in humanity meter keeps dropping and dropping and dropping with every little thing I see on Lemmy today. Can we get some good news, please?

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    With the help if AI I will create the videogames I want without having to be Bethesda or some othe corporate grant. That’s what’s amazing.

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    I think it’s important to remember that any grotesque thing AI makes us is still drawing exclusively from human made examples. There’s no aspect of what AI image generators generate that isn’t derived from humans.

    These images are monuments to humanity’s vanity.

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      I disagree.

      Using tools such as Stable Diffusion is like asking a malicious compliante genie a wish.

      You have to account for all the “bad” things and use negative prompts for the things that you don’t want, eg: “ulgy, deformed, extra limbs”

      The aberrations don’t really need to come from the training data itself, but are produced when content is generated with it.

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        No, but taking most of the collected creative works humanity has ever digitized and distributed electronically and literally making an engine to compile it and puke out ai generated derivative human works on demand certainly is.

        Trying to commoditize and mass produce the intrinsically elusive spark of human creativity is the height of vanity, and the often horrific results of it aren’t at all surprising.

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          Shall we at least admit that it’s ability to make utilitarian images for use by people making creative commons content like Indy games, YouTube videos, instruction courses, online education tools and similar which we all benefit from is a great thing and worth celebrating.

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          Yeah, because a guy eating pizza at the beach would be the pinnacle of human creativity otherwise.

          Humans are mostly not creative, they copy and adapt what they’ve already seen. Don’t jerk yourself too hard, otherwise you’ll create Pollock paintings from chaffing.

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            These guys will jerk off to their moral superiority on this subject for years to come, it’s best to just ignore it and move along and do whatever the hell you feel like with the technology that’s available to you if it makes you happy and doesn’t hurt anyone (inb4 IT’S LITERALLY KILLING ARTISTS IN THE STREETS!)