Today, I feel like North Korean…
Nuke dropped if a western country wins
NK has the largest football stadium in the world so…
I feel people disapproving it would be from america😂😂😂😂
Of course it’s a tankie saying this
I feel like people approving it would be from Russia, China, and North Korea.
And they would be some of the few countries that would actually compete
Let’s see a statistics list of countries where America wasn’t able to reach via propaganda, or lost its status and most population thinks negatively of americans and their media:
Egypt, Jordan, Turkey, Palestinian Territories, Belarus, Greece, Russia, Iran, Lebanon, Argentina, Austria, Slovenia, Tunisia, Pakistan, Netherlands.
In reality international football games is not subject to crime.
It’s just how american media brainwash the topic of North Korea to you.
You know Jack shit about Netherlands and Austria.
And Pakistan.
I didn’t mention Pakistan because I actually don’t know enough about Pakistan myself. But thank you
Silly question. When you say America do you mean North, Central or South? All three?
He means “”“the west”“” which is slang for “Anywhere with free speech”
Classic Tankie behavior to lump all countries in “”“the west”“” together
Funny how the countries that are supposedly the ones who know the real truth about the world are the same ones that routinely lock up journalists for trying to report about the world.
Remind me about assange and Snowden, and Chelsea Manning. What happened to them?
Stones and glass houses.
Ah yes, two examples where people leaked classified information vs. the countless thousands who merely express an opinion. Clearly the same thing.
OG homies
Juche teaches us that you can never rely on other countries because they are self serving and will throw you under the bus if it’s convenient for them
So any of those 1.5+ milliard people? Literally 20% of the world’s population.
Nah, most people hate fascists.
I hate people who don’t know what they’re talking about
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_North_Korea
During the campaign, conventional weapons such as explosives, incendiary bombs, and napalm destroyed nearly all of the country’s cities and towns, including an estimated 85% of its buildings.
A total of 635,000 tons of bombs, including 32,557 tons of napalm, were dropped on Korea. By comparison, the U.S. dropped 1.6 million tons in the European theater and 500,000 tons in the Pacific theater during all of World War II (including 160,000 on Japan). North Korea ranks alongside Cambodia (500,000 tons), Laos (2 million tons), and South Vietnam (4 million tons) as among the most heavily-bombed countries in history.
In an interview with U.S. Air Force historians in 1988, USAF General Curtis LeMay, who was also head of the U.S. Strategic Air Command, commented on efforts to win the war as a whole, including the strategic bombing campaign, saying “Right at the start of the war, unofficially, I slipped a message in “under the carpet” in the Pentagon that we ought to turn SAC lose with some incendiaries on some North Korean towns. The answer came back, under the carpet again, that there would be too many civilian casualties; we couldn’t do anything like that. We went over there and fought the war and eventually burned down every town in North Korea anyway, some way or another, and some in South Korea, too…Over a period of three years or so we killed off, what, 20 percent of the population of Korea, as direct casualties of war or from starvation and exposure? Over a period of three years, this seemed to be acceptable to everybody, but to kill a few people at the start right away, no, we can’t seem to stomach that.”
Sahr-Conway Lanz, who holds a Ph.D. in the history of American foreign relations, has written extensively about the legacy and impact on American discourse on the international norm of noncombatant immunity. He states:
“During the war, American military and civilian officials stretched the term “military target” to include virtually all human-made structures, capitalizing on the vague distinction between the military and civilian segments of an enemy society. They came to apply the logic of total war to the destruction of the civil infrastructure in North Korea. Because almost any building could serve a military purpose, even if a minor one, nearly the entire physical infrastructure behind enemy lines was deemed a military target and open to attack. This expansive definition, along with the optimism about sparing civilians that is reinforced, worked to obscure in American awareness the suffering of Korean civilians in which U.S. firebombing was contributing.”
The song was inspired by Korean war veteran that John McCrea met in a bar.
It’s a war, what do you expect to happen? Regardless, considering how North Korea turned out, defending South Korea, was without a doubt, the right decision.
Fuck you “the Korean War was the right decision”
Fuck you, imperialist warmonger. Pray that the souls of millions of dead Koreans killed by American hands don’t haunt you tonight.
Are you brain dead? Well, you’re a Marxist who defends North Korea, of course you are. After the Japanese Empire fell, Soviet Union and the US occupied the Korean peninsula. The Soviets took the North, and the Americans controlled the South. The idea was that after stability is restored, the two parts can unify and Korea can become an independent state. However, that never happened because of Soviet imperialism. Instead of pushing towards reunification like planned, they decided to keep provoking the South by funding a crazy dictator with a fuck ton of weapons. Then with the green light from Marxists in Moscow, Kim Il Sung, launched a surprise invasion of the south slaughtering tens of thousands of innocents. The North ravaged the South and almost took it over. The South Koreans were literally waiting for the Americans to arrive and assist the South Korean army, which was huddled around Busan, and help them liberate their lands from the Northern invaders. When the US came, they restored the status quo and helped South Korea get back on its feet.
Over time, the South turned into of the best countries in the world while the North became one of the worst. Especially after Marxism failed (yet again) and the Soviet Union collapsed. North Korea ended suffering through major famines (due to failed policies) and became even more authoritarian and closed off. The Korean war ended claiming the lives of up to 3 million civilians. While it’s sad what happened to the innocents, the alternative would’ve been much worse. The North Korean famine by itself killed 3.5 million North Koreans. The South had just as many people as the North back then. If they were under the control of the Marxist North, the same famine could’ve killed up to 7 million people. North Korea is still struggling with feeding its people while South Korea now has twice the population and a food surplus despite having worse geography. So fuck you, defending South Korea from Marxist imperialism was the right decision. You and your tankie vermin friends can cry your eyes out.
fuck you, I’m not reading any of that
Go crawl back into your mom’s basement
I’m sorry, but you’re deeply misinformed. I’m saying this not to start a fight, but in the hope that seeing it from someone outside hexbear (I’m banned from that instance!) will be received better.
What you’re saying is the us propaganda during and about the war after it ended. The consensus among even american historians stands in stark contrast to what youve posted.
I’m on mobile at the moment, so I can’t make the biggest post, but if you wanna know something in particular lmk and I’ll get to it as soon as I can.
What I said isn’t propaganda, it’s the reality. If you want to make the case that the war was brutal then I would agree. If you want to make the case that South Korea was ran by dictators until recently then I would also agree. These are also facts, but they’re irrelevant to the point that I was trying to make. The idiot I was replying to really pretended that Korean war was started by the US and not the Soviet backed invasion of the North which is simply not true. Whether you think the war was justified or not is subjective. Just like the nukes on Nagasaki and Hiroshima, everybody has their moral opinions on it. In my view, the US involvement in Korea to help the South was the right decision. Even if South Korea didn’t democratize in the 1990s, they still would’ve been better off being sovereign then under the control of the North. The North after the war went through an economic collapse, a famine, and chronic food and supplies shortages that are still plaguing the country today. It wasn’t all sunshine and rainbows, but the it was ultimately the right call.
And this is why Americans should be completely ignored on the topic of Korea.
Absolutely
@Hyggyldy@sffa.community that feeling gnawing at the back of your awareness is the realization that you’ve been duped by the most prolificly evil entity to ever exist on the planet
It’s not a pissing contest, but I still believe Nazi Germany takes the cake in that regard.
its certainly possible, as someone living under the former example and 85 years separated from the latter, its impossible for me to say
Death to america/nazis!
Won’t realize anything. When I showed this article to my liberal friend he doubled down and said that while civilian deaths were unfortunate, it was a proportional response to Kim invading the South and compared it to Hitler invading Poland. Its veryt rare that shit like this gets through.
Hey I too know a lib I can’t get through to; this guy however doesn’t know nearly enough about history to try and sound informed; he instead spouts whatever comes to mind, for example: when I told him about what had been going on in Donbas until the war, and that Ukraine wanted the land but not the people, he argued for ethnic cleansing in the form of forcing all the Russians there to leave, and it was enough that the Ukrainian government wanted them gone for him to say that. When I brought up that the US is causing major issues with Taiwan, his response was “Do you believe that China does bad things?”, and then wanted to start talking about the Uyghurs even though…it has literally no relation to the situation with Taiwan. He pretends that countries not being democracies is the reason he supports the US intervening or invading many nations, and when I point out that Ukraine has shut down many left wing parties, he then pivots and says Putin does it too with a face as though he’s said something really clever.
I’ve spent hours trying to educate him about what’s going on in many countries the US intervenes in but the truth is this guy just inherently supports US empire.
Your friend may be different, but I suspect he’s using what little historical info he has to try and lend legitimacy to his claims but the truth is he already knows who he supports (just not why).
“During the war, American military and civilian officials stretched the term “military target” to include virtually all human-made structures, capitalizing on the vague distinction between the military and civilian segments of an enemy society. They came to apply the logic of total war to the destruction of the civil infrastructure in North Korea. Because almost any building could serve a military purpose, even if a minor one, nearly the entire physical infrastructure behind enemy lines was deemed a military target and open to attack. This expansive definition, along with the optimism about sparing civilians that is reinforced, worked to obscure in American awareness the suffering of Korean civilians in which U.S. firebombing was contributing.”
One of the things I never understood is why Western countries (as we’re not the only ones who do this) bother coming up with these laws and rules of engagement and such if they’re just going to basically be interpreted in the most liberal sense to allow one to do whatever they want. Take that adviser to Trump who suggested sending out a drone to ‘deal’ with migrants before they crossed the US border or entered American waters because they wouldn’t be protected by the US constitution at that point. What even is the point of these laws if the intent is ignored and people simply find a way to play the system?
To say that they have them
the mask of civility is the thin veneer that liberals use to hide their agenda
it’s related to the difference between materialist and idealist perspectives
if you claim to uphold lofty ideals, then you can just claim the material failure to live up to those ideals is an oversight, mistake, accident, victim-blame etc
this is also why plausible deniability is a critical aspect of many operations, it was those few bad people that caused the bad things, not the institutional structure that is dedicated to lofty ideals
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Lmao the entire liberal media establishment has literally spent the last week defending a waffen ss volunteer.
Volunteered in 1943 too.
But… but… Galicia was judenfrei when he joined, he couldn’t have been a Nazi!
Neither North Korea nor Qatar are fascist. The former is communist and the latter is an absolute monarchy.
Unless you’re saying FIFA is fascist which might be true idk.
Fascism is when I don’t like a government, and the more I dislike it the more fascist it is
North Korea isn’t Marxist. It stopped being Marxist after the Soviet Union fell. They officially adopted a new ideology, that’s more or less in line with what is traditionally considered Fascist. The North Korean regime is similar in function and ideology to other Fascist regimes like Belarus, Azerbaijan, or Turkmenistan.
None of those countries are fascist
Yes, they are lol
Nuh uh
What books have you read on the economy of fascism and on the economy of the DPRK? Are you uninformed and wrong or misinformed and wrong?
Fascism doesn’t emphasize economics, it’s a minor point in the ideology. Most Fascist governments allowed a private sector to run, but they also nationalized any industry they wanted on a whim. There were also a lot of nonsensical regulations, but as long corporations didn’t question the state then they were fine. North Korea doesn’t really have a private sector or an economy, but again the focus of Fascism is mostly political and social. North Korea functions similarly to other Fascist regimes. North Korea is authoritarian, ultranationalist, ultra militaristic, it’s run by a dictatorial leader, it is centralized autocracy, the government does forcibly suppress opposition, the government does pump out propaganda telling its citizens that subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation is a must, and so on. It’s a Fascist state.
Fascism doesn’t emphasize economics, it’s a minor point in the ideology.
Their rhetoric maybe. I’ve studied fascism, in depth. Fascism absolutely is primarily class warfare waged by the petite bourgeoisie and precarious haut bourgeoisie and has common economic characteristics. A good primer on this would be “Economy and Class structure of German Fascism” It is a quick read, <200 pages.
North Korea is authoritarian, ultranationalist, ultra militaristic, it’s run by a dictatorial leader, it is centralized autocracy, the government does forcibly suppress opposition, the government does pump out propaganda telling its citizens that subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation is a must, and so on.
Are we just uncritically repeating the talking points of a country that killed 20 percent of Koreans in order to protect the puppet dictatorship riddled with former colonial Japanese oppressors they installed in the South? That claims the North invaded while their puppet dictatorship was busy slaughtering 10s of thousands of pro democracy protestors?
The DPRK literally has had workplace management elected by the workers since 1961 and you’re accusing them of being undemocratic. Imagine how different your life would be if you chose your own management, and there was no owner to leech off of you.
Fascism absolutely is primarily class warfare waged by the petite bourgeoisie and precarious haut bourgeoisie and has common economic characteristics
I think you’re missing the point. Fascism is neither capitalist or socialist. They just use whatever policies is convenient for the state at the time. If they deem a private sector is useful, they will allow a private sector. If they deem an industry is of national security, they will nationalize it. If they want to add or remove regulations on a whim, they will do so. There’s no economic vision, there’s no ideal economy that they work for. Class warfare is also used as a tool for power, it’s not a defining part of the ideology. Fascism believes in social hierarchies, and this was just another way to enforce this idea. While Fascism’s cousin ideology, Marxism, has class warfare as a definitive ideological enemy, this isn’t the case for Fascism. When we look at North Korea, the country used to be mostly Marxist while the Soviet Union was still around, but they switched over to Fascism quickly afterwards. It doesn’t seem like a lot changed because both ideologies are authoritarian, but Fascism is the more accurate term to describe how the country runs now.
Are we just uncritically repeating the talking points of a country that killed 20 percent of Koreans in order to protect the puppet dictatorship riddled with former colonial Japanese oppressors they installed in the South? That claims the North invaded while their puppet dictatorship was busy slaughtering 10s of thousands of pro democracy protestors?
And this is when you stop being a reasonable critic and start becoming a coping tankie clown. Just a few points here:
- Everything that I said about how North Korea is unequivocally true and this is does not disprove or take away from that in any way, shape, or form.
- America did not start the Korean war. The Korean war was officially started when the Soviet backed Marxist North launched a surprise invasion on the South on the 25th of June, 1950. This is basic history. Before that, most of the conflict was just political and there were a few minor clashes around the 39th parallel.
- US helping the South defend itself from the North is beyond justified. It was the right call. On top of the North invading and slaughtering civilians in the South, the North also had other problems. After the war, both countries were relatively equal in population, size, and economy. However, there was one stark difference, North Korea was heavily dependent on the Soviet Union for its existence. They barely developed a plan B for when the Soviet Union cuts support. When that finally happened in the 1990s with the failure of Marxism in Europe and the collapse of the Soviet Union, North Korea was left with nothing and ended having a famine that killed 3.5 million North Koreans. The entire Korean war killed an estimated 2-3 million civilians on both sides just to put things in perspective. Even if South Korea didn’t democratize in the 90s and remained under a dictatorship, they were still better off sovereign as that led them to escape the fate of the North. If the famine was spread to the South, the death toll could’ve been as high as 7 million. From that point on North Korea became a chronically malnourished, despite having the better geography.
- North Korea was not and is not pro democracy, that’s some low tier propaganda which even the most ignorant of people don’t fall for. North Korea was a puppet propped by the Soviet Union, and the Soviets were very explicitly critical of democracy and saw it as a threat to their power, therefore North Korea was built with the same mindset.
The DPRK literally has had workplace management elected by the workers since 1961 and you’re accusing them of being undemocratic. Imagine how different your life would be if you chose your own management, and there was no owner to leech off of you.
What’s next, you’re going to tell me that Kim Jung Un, his father, and grandfather all got 100% of the vote 100% of the time in free and fair elections? Listen, I understand you’re a tankie and I commend your efforts to try and defend North Korea of all places, but this is not an argument you can win. North Korea is one of the world’s most authoritarian and undemocratic countries in the world, and anybody can tell that this is objectively the case based on the information that North Korea itself publishes. North Korea isn’t a communist utopia, it’s the polar opposite.
The Canadian government has proved you solidly wrong
Idk, people were leaping to the defense of that Waffen-SS guy in Canada
Fascism is when media tells me the country is evil bad country. What? Fascism has a definition and the DPRK doesn’t come even close to fitting it? Bah, impossible. Trustworthy Sources (social media echo chambers) told me that Kim is an evil bad dictator man.
Letting that many foreigners into North Korea would be a PR disaster for the Country.
They have a pretty big tourist industry but it would mostly be people from China
Are you really suggesting the DPRK is worse than Qatar? Lmao.
Only the US will kill 20 percent of a population, establish a right wing military dictatorship in the south, and paint the democratic and progressive north as an evil regime worse than an absolute monarchy.
I’m Canadian.
y’all been taking some Ls lately. If I were Canadian I’d pretend to be American
I forgot about that scene lol
Good 'ol Russian Badger. Favorite bit of his is probably the one that goes on about shooting yourself with small caliber bullets to build up resistance to larger caliber.
I had not seen that one before, but that totally fits lol
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That’s a good point. Let me amend her post:
Only the US and America Jr. will kill 20 percent of a population, establish a right wing military dictatorship in the south, and paint the democratic and progressive north as an evil regime worse than an absolute monarchy.
Oh, the country where after ww2 a waffen ss tattoo would get you in.
Doesn’t change anything. Most of the US allies are US vassals nowadays.
Just a small correction: a vassal is a person subservient to a feudal lord. A vessel is a container of some sort or a ship.
paint the democratic and progressive north as an evil regime worse
You clowns are beyond parody
Ad hominem
No. Accusing someone of a fallacy doesn’t make it true.
if you think a WC in NK would be worse than in Saudi Arabia you’re up to your eyeballs in amerikkkan propaganda
Death to America
Do we really need extreme politics in a meme community?
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plus, you know that its thier only personality trait so they gotta beat that drum somehow
Political “memes” are going to get political.
What’s extreme about it?
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I don’t know why you are talking about Saudi Arabia. Qatar is not Saudi Arabia.
Lol. You owned yourself
Not really. I didn’t know that Saudi Arabia will host one because I really don’t care about fifa trash. But the meme is about Qatar and NC. So talking about Saudi Arabia is still kinda weird but no one is saying Saudi Arabia would be better than NC. The post just implies Qatar is better, while you totally could understand the meme to be about harming the WC branding and pushing the limits too far in general.
No, you did.
Did what? Where?
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Yeah that’s in 11 years I think lol. Still though the point stands
100% misread that headline omg
No prob comrade, 2034 and 2024 can look very similar due to us being so used to seeing 202* dates. I wouldn’t delete though, the fact that it’s spoken about in media as a fine choice for 2034 still means your point is correct
The men’s world cup is still 3 years away and the women payled in NZ this year though so I’m not sure that you’re referring to?
I was lost, please ignore me
Oh thanks I didn’t know. I don’t care about fifa trash.
Saying you don’t know why people are talking about Saudia Arabia regarding the world cup when the world cup is in Saudi Arabia really demonstrates the people who are interested in this story because of following football and those interested because American propoganda told them to be.
Lol I don’t care about fifa trash. I am not complaining about where the WC is, as fifa is corrupt to no end. I didn’t know the WC will be in Saudi Arabia because I don’t care about anything fifa. Didn’t even imply that NC is worse than Saudi Arabia. I knew the WC was in qatar because a couple thousand Immigrants died in the construction of the Stadions. The meme was about Qatar and they talked about Saudi Arabia, so I expressed my confusion but apparently that makes me brainwashed lol
Idk about brainwashed but it deff makes you an uninformed jackass.
Uninformed jackass because I point out that his rant about Saudi Arabia is a little weird considering the fact that the post is about Qatar and not Saudi Arabia.
If you think a little about the post, you realize that it makes no point about whether or not Saudi Arabia is worse or better than nc. Neither did I. And if you think a little more you realize that the meme could be understood that fifa is pushing more and more the limits of their fans patience by making bad decisions repeatably. And through that, not even comparing Qatar with nc. In other words, the comment that I responded to talks about a party that is not part of the meme for no reason, and understands the meme in one precise way as alternative understanding would render the rant even more strange.
But I am uninformed jackass, for pointing at that… ok buddy.
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English is not my native tongue and sometimes I forgot that Korea is not spelled with a c, like e.g. in french. That happens if you speak more than one language. But if all my “uninformed and jackassish”-ness is that, I will die happily.
Also If I were a Japanese citizen and I wouldn’t appreciate north Korea sending rockets towards Japan while those rockets might be nuclear, and that causes me to be more afraid of north Korea than Saudi Arabia, am I then also brainwashed by the us?
In case you are mad that I don’t write “Democratic People’s Republic of Korea” or “DPRK” but north Korea. Well, I also don’t call south Korea “republic of Korea” or ROK. I also don’t call Germany “Feberal republic of Germany”. But if you care some much about that please call it by the proper name, 조선민주주의인민공화국, or at least, Chosŏn Minjujuŭi Inmin Konghwaguk. Thanks for not being uninformed and jackassish .
an entirely reasonable position they’re the organisation to set up football matches not the world police
North Korea isn’t exactly a normal country. Considering how the vast majority of the world knows what North Korea is actually like, this will not be a popular event. FIFA is supposed to pick locations that will help the game spread and grow on global stage. The most shut in country in the world isn’t exactly a good pick. Not to mention the international criticism of FIFA as well as the boycotts from countries and fearful athletes,
How does everyone in the world know what it’s like if it’s shut in? Why is it shut in?
*worse
Okay guys, enlighten me. If Nestle is a 10 on the evil scale, what is Fifa?
About a 9 to 10 I would guess
1/10 cos they would bribe the scale
Nah, get with the times. FIFA only accepts bribes.
Assuming lower is more evil, FIFA is 2 - 6i + 3j. Sorry, I guess we’re using quaternions.
About the same? Just like any other big company really, they all share the same interests.
If Nestle is a 10 then North Korea is a 12 and FIFA is an 11.5
Nah nestle is worse than fifa
They’re all in fierce competition as to who can be the most evil and corrupt
Much worse, not worst
Yes, your right
Yea, their definately write.
Oh my gosh, I didn’t even notice that
Since Qatar has already hosted a world cup, he’s got a point
And what would be the problem with NK hosting the world cup huh? Not that it would happen since the WC is nothing more than an ad for countries, you get to host it if you pay the FIFA.
Seems like a clear improvement to me
Uncritical support for the DPRK in its heroic struggle to liberate occupied Korea from the genocidal American empire.
Uncritical support for the DPRK in its heroic struggle to liberate occupied Football from the genocidal FIFA empire.
