I’ve been considering paying for a European provider, mounting their service with rclone, and thus being transparent to most anything I host.
How do y’all backup your data?
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Two hard drives of the same size, one on site and one off site.
Where do you keep your off-site one? Like a friend or family member’s house?
Either works, if you dont trust them encryption is always an option
I keep one in a bank deposit box. It costs like $10/year, fireproof, climate controlled, and exactly the right size for a 3.5" disk. Rotate every couple of months, because it is like 10-15 minute process to get into the vault.
So your backed up data can be as old as a couple of months and requires manual interaction? I guess that’s better than nothing, but I’m looking for something more automated. I’m not sure what my options are for cloud storage or if they are safe from deletion. Or if having it in a closet in a friends house is really the best option.
I have a live local backup to guard against hardware/system failure. I figure the only reason I’d have to go to the off-site backup is destruction of my home, and if that ever happens then recreating a couple of months worth of critical data will not be an undue burden.
If I had work or consulting product on my home systems, I’d probably keep a cloud backup by daily rsync, but I’m not going to spend the bandwidth to remote backup the whole system off site. It’s bad enough bringing down a few tens of gigabytes - sending up several terabytes, even in the background, just isn’t practical for me.
At home and at the shop where I work. At work the drives are actually stored in a Faraday cage.
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I’m sure you know this, but snapshots are not backups!
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I backup my ESXi VMs and NAS file shares to local server storage using an encrypted Veeam job and have a copy job to a local NAS with iSCSI storage presented.
From there I have another host VM accessing that same iSCSI share uploading the encrypted backup to Backblaze. Unlimited “local” storage for $70\y? Yes please! (iSCSI appears local to Backblaze. They know and have already started they don’t care.)
I’m backing up about 4TB to them currently using this method.
Mine is kind of similar. Hyper-V backed up with Veeam to a separate logical disk (same RAID array, different HDD’s). Veeam backups are replicated to iDrive with rsync.
I need to readjust my replication schedule to prioritize the critical backups because my upload speed isn’t fast enough to do a full replication that often.
I have a Synology NAS that holds all my important data. Then it does nightly backups to Synology C2.
I miss back in the day. Used to be able to store all my stuff on CD-R’s, hell before that it was floppy’s. File sizes have grown exponentially, programs/apps all have huge sizes. Pictures and videos is my biggest issue, but I’d also like to backup games that I’ve downloaded so I don’t have to download again. I can backup old games no problem, but modern games? Many are 100+ GB now, and in time they all will be and 200GB will be the standard, then a terabyte and more.
Anyway, until I can afford and find a 20 tb sad I’m just using DVDs for everything but games and large programs. Quick to write, solid, tangeable etc. If I could afford a bunch of flash drives I’d probably do that instead.
If you can afford it and it’s important data I’d ofc recommend backing up to a large SSD, THEN to a cloud (or more) as a failsafe… then also using flash drives/DVD’s etc. For an additional failsafe for the super important stuff.
I mean, if it’s important backup all you can.
I’ve got priceless memories in my Google photos library but ofc Google removed being able to view them on my native photos app and download easily… so instead I either have to backup and save ALL of it in Google drive or download specific albums… idk so I wouldn’t personally recommend google as a true backup as you never know, personally I’d just use DVDs and flash drives for that stuff
ZFS
lol I mean it’s not raid per se
restic to Wasabi.
Proxmox backs up to pbs and pbs is synced to B2 with rclone.
Other stuff is restic to b2.
Backend storage is all ZFS. I have a big external drive plugged in via USB on my ZFS box and that backs up my daily backups.
I have a two old PCs that I run ZFS on as well. One auto turns on every week and ZFS backs up to that. The other PC is completely manual and I just randomly turn that on and backup. Every so often. Usually every 2-4 weeks.
For off-site backups. I use Syncthing and it is running on a server at a families house. Few miles away.
I picked Syncthing over ZFS because I actually a little more than an off-site I wanted a two way sync between our two locations so both locations could have a local copy they can edit and change.
Backblaze. Easy and cheap. It’s fire and forget for the most part.
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Fewer Letters More Letters ESXi VMWare virtual machine hypervisor Git Popular version control system, primarily for code NAS Network-Attached Storage RAID Redundant Array of Independent Disks for mass storage SSD Solid State Drive mass storage VPS Virtual Private Server (opposed to shared hosting)
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Encrypted files sent to Google Cloud Storage (bucket) for long-term archival. Comes out pretty cheap like that.
Raid is backup right?
It protects against drive failure. That is the threat I am most worried about, so it’s fine for me.
drive failure
Perhaps unintended but very much relevant singular. Unless you’re doing RAID 6 or the like, a simultaneous failure of two drives still means data loss. It’s also worth noting that drives of the same model and batch tend to fail after similar amounts of time.
same model and batch
This is why when you buy hard drives, you should split the order across several stores rather than buying all of them from one store. You’re much more likely to get drives from different batches.
Oh, don’t worry they’re a random mix of old drives I had lying around, they’re most certainly not the same model, let alone batch!
(But yes, fair call if you have a big Nas. I have 2TB in my desktop)
of course /s
I do exactly the same. I do not have a lot of data I feel a need to backup. I have a nightly job that zips and then encrypts my data, then rclones it to off site storage.
