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I have good feeling for the effects on environment tbh, because it changes a lot of ethical and environmental concerns. Some of them will definitely be gone for good.
I get this is positive, but it saddens me to hear people comment now I can start eating more ethically. There have always been vegan options available. They have been there this whole time, this is merely another option out there, the majority of people will still prefer the “real thing”.
The only victim the in the situation is the Animals, their gauntlet of suffering from our hands must come to an end.
We can rail forever about how vegetarian and vegan options have been available to the majority for quite a while now, but the simple fact of the matter is that meat isn’t something a lot of cultures will budge on. Grown meat is the only realistic path towards substantially reduced animal suffering in the “near” future
For someone like me, there honestly aren’t many options. I’m allergic to soy, which eliminates a LOT of vegan meat alternatives. I do mostly eat the options I can have rather than eating meat, but a lot of these options are relatively new and have most certainly not “been there this whole time”.
Rice, Beans, Fruits, Vegetables, Seeds, Grains, Nuts, Berries. Eat a variety of those and no animals need to die. There are plenty of vegans with Soy allergies. https://www.livekindly.com/9-vegan-proteins-to-eat-when-youre-allergic-to-soy/
I hope that is helpful, and my sentiment is not to gaslight anybody with dietary restrictions. There is a TON of money being spent to ensure people stay uneducated on what foods are actually healthy to eat.
Honestly a diet of just those foods sounds miserable - I’m also allergic to nuts so that’s not an option either. Kudos to the people that decide to limit their diet so much to go vegan, but no one is obligated to do so. People are allowed to be excited that there is going to be a more ethical version of food they enjoy
So I want to clarify here, I know this is a tough subject. I hope to not make anybody feel uncomfortable when I’m sharing my opinion on the internet and if I did so I truly apologize.
People can do incredible things when they have the motivation. I.E. Felipe Nunes. He is a pro skateboarder who does not have legs. He could easily say, “i don’t have legs, therefore skateboarding is not an option”. Though, he had motivation to do it anyways. Right now, you might not have that motivation to do a thing, while knowing that thing is good. I have 27 years of eating meat, and 6 years of being vegan, i just didn’t have any motivation to do it until a traumatic event shifting my perspective. Not everyone will go vegan, it would be cool, but it certainly is possible for a huge majority.
I’m super interested in information about purine levels in the various cultivated meats that will hit the market soon. There’s also a company called Wildtype that’s trying to get their grown salmon into the market. I’ve heard it’s sushi grade… It would be great if I could eat sushi and steak again. Off to eat my salad now, bye y’all!
I’ve been watching Wildtype excitedly for some time, I’ll definitely jump at the first chance I get to try it!
I’m very interested to learn what combination of cells they used to hit certain flavors and how they developed the right network of cells to make the right texture. Is there a ‘grain’? Will there be dark meat and white meat? So many questions! Can’t wait to see if they end up making pulled pork down the road, haha.
Well, fancy meeting you out here too!
I’ll be interested to see what my decidedly vegetarian SO thinks about this (I’m mainly vegetarian but am more omnivorous). We opt for Impossible where available, and it’ll be interesting to see if either of us gravitate to it.
I am very curious what price they can get this to. If traditional chicken breast is $11 a pound and this is $20, it’s going to be rough. If it’s around the same or cheaper, it could do very well!
I’m sure that it will initially cost a premium, before coming down in price as the technology matures. I’m also curious about the relative environmental impact that cultivated meat has versus raising livestock.
ETA: I found a study regarding cultured meat’s environmental impact: https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/es200130u
According to this study, cultured meat is 7-45% more energy efficient, emits 78-96% less CO2, requires 82-96% less water, and occupies 99% less land than raising livestock.
Are these estimates at scale?
Thanks for this great info
Dang, I figured CO2 emissions would be much better than traditional livestock but I wouldn’t have guessed that much better.
Livestock is a huge CO2 contributor, coupled with the fact that you have to cut down trees to make room for them, it’s a huge problem.
Right? The water and ghg emission is nearly at the same level as fruits and veggies from what I can tell. That’s intense. Energy use is still pretty high but I imagine that’ll get optimized over time. Low key excited to try it too, I wasn’t too sold on the meat alternatives from beyondmeat, but this looks very interesting.
I was wondering that too. It sounds like a promising technology.
for fast-food purposes, the plant-based meats (Impossible, Beyond Meat) were generally able to get in the door at parity with ordinary meat from what i can tell. i’m not sure about in-grocery-store, though. they’ve also been racked by waning consumer interest, probably because they seem “faddish” for lack of better wording. that, i honestly think, is the biggest hurdle to cultivated meat–not price.
I buy Beyond Meat bricks for $8.99 a pound. That’s pricey compared to regular beef, but I’m an outlier with pricing. I keep kosher at home and kosher meat is VERY expensive. Between the price and hassle (it requires separate pots/pans, plates, utensils, etc), I keep vegetarian at home. It’s just cheaper and easier.
Beyond Meat lets me cook “beef” dishes for less than kosher beef would cost me and with more flexibility. (Tonight, we had pasta and Beyond Beef meatballs with cheese - a dish I couldn’t make using kosher meat.)
There’s still a market for products like Beyond Beef, but I agree that they’ll need to hit “normal need” price levels before it really takes off.
Oh interesting. Kosher is a whole market I didn’t even think of with Beyond Meat.
Is cultured meat considered “real meat” or “kosher” for your purposes? (I hope I’m using the term correctly)
That’s actually a big debate happening in the kosher community.
On one hand, you don’t need to do things like check every organ for signs of illness. As long as the vat doesn’t get infected with something, it’s good. You also don’t need to drain blood from the resulting meat since it doesn’t have any.
On the other hand, if you take a cell from a living animal, is the whole mass in the vat considered a living creature? If so, eating from it might not be allowed (eating flesh from a live animal is forbidden). The lack of any kind of slaughter process could either mean they want harvested meat is fine or none of it is.
There will likely be rabbis ruling both ways for awhile before any consensus emerges. If any ever does. (Judaism is very decentralized and consensus is often difficult to impossible.)
Where is chicken breast $11 a pound? That’s like pasture raised organic prices where I am in the US.
I just looked at what ShopRite said 🤷
So they say the meat is 99% chicken cell, does anyone know what the 1% is? I’d just feel better knowing.
Typically that’s more of a CYA move. If someone finds something that isn’t chicken cell they could sue for false advertising, but if it’s 100% chicken cell nobody can sue for saying it was 99%.
I was digging into this question and only found that it might be leftovers of whatever they feed the cells (which also no longer includes anything from live or harvested animals, which is cool). CYA covers that and so much more so I think you’re right.
I don’t know, and maybe I shouldn’t comment, but my first thought was that it might be some sort of edible lattice that makes sure the chicken cells grow in a shape that looks vaguely filet-like.
Cant wait for the bacon lattice for my sandwich
What’s the number of its carbon footprint?
That’s cool! If I saw this in my supermarket I’d def try it.
OMG OMG OMG!!! I’ve been waiting for this for decades!!! I love animals, but i wasn’t able to give up meat, so this is exactly what I’ve been hoping for!!! I’ve tried the plant based fake meats like Beyond and Impossible, but they don’t even come close to the real thing. My body craves real meat, but my mind hates all suffering, so perfect cultivated meat is my dream!
Please please please i hope this tastes exactly like the real thing!
This is super exciting! Been waiting a long time for this
It’s pretty typical for a new product’s development to be inefficient until the processes are scaled, I wouldn’t read into it too much at the moment. Process improvements are happening at a ridiculously quick rate in this field; we’re talking on a weekly to monthly basis.
Keep in mind, too, that animal ag has a lot more money behind it than these folks, and similar to the oil companies they’re going to be spending buckets to slow the transition.
as an omnivore dating a vegetarian who doesn’t eat meat for ethical reasons i am so, so excited!!!
This is a huge a step forward!
This is awesome! I had no idea lab grown meat was so close to being viable. I currently eat meat (with some guilt), and I can’t wait to get to the point where I can eat more ethically
Yeah I’ve been about 50/50 with plant based beef and chicken. I’m extremely excited for this. Might be the final nail in the coffin for Big Meat
agreed, regardless of whether or not it’s ethical to raise animals for meat, the way we currently do it is an eldritch abomination where “cage free” chicken are kept so tightly packed they will peck each other to death unless debeaked, and where “cut from neighbors knife” is a common injury report at slaughterhouses.
