The next years are going to be fun… The world is burning while the fossil fuel industry is chugging along like everything is great as long as you buy enough co2 credits.
I’m scared in what kind of world my children will have to live in…
Remember, elections have consequences. While, at least in the US, neither party is perfect, Republicans are actively engaged in climate denial.
Vote accordingly.
Elections sort of have consequences sometimes. In some places. Especially in the US, both sides play the same game and both allow corporations to act with enough impunity for it to make no difference who is in charge. The fact that “democracy” has become a choice between two essentially identical options tells you everything you need to know about the idea. Not to mention that the US is a republic not a democracy anyway and is therefore a totally different beast. And the second biggest economy and influence on the climate is China - another “democracy” which isn’t one.
“the US is a Republic not a democracy…”
Thanks for telling us that you don’t know WTF you’re talking about.
This idea of yours, that republics and democracies are somehow mutually exclusive concepts is a deeply stupid category error that has zero basis in political science (to say nothing of practical reality) and almost always is the redoubt of those who wish to justify the dysfunction of the current status quo.
“the US is a Republic not a democracy…”
Thanks for telling us that you don’t know WTF you’re talking about.
This idea of yours, that republics and democracies are somehow mutually exclusive concepts is a deeply stupid category error that has zero basis in political science (to say nothing of practical reality) and almost always is the redoubt of those who wish to justify the dysfunction of the current status quo.
There’s no need to get upset about it mate. At least not about my comment. Please do get upset about (I assume) your government. Its a shitshow. I never said anything about mutual exclusivity, all I said is that being a republic, the rulesa re different to what they would be otherwise. Gerrymandering, the executive branch, the judicial branch, and especially the electoral college, all mean that even though some people are allowed to vote, power lies with the political class and oligarchs, not with the people voting.
Here’s some handy info about republics: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic
It seems like elections only have consequences and never any benefits. While republicans are worse than democrats, I don’t see democrats moving effectively in this area. It’s usually business as usual with democrats (e.g. Biden signing in more drilling permits). At best I see too-little-too-late agreements with non-strict enforcement that republicans can cancel any time they get power (which is inevitable in our system).
While republicans are worse than democrats,
That doesn’t really matter - the problem is they enable each other. They just play a “good cop, bad cop” routine while “business as usual” accelerates. Political parties aren’t interested in changing the status quo - but it’s the status quo that must be changed.
Yeah, I’ve had to make sure to include that in every post I make criticizing democrats because otherwise people who’ve had their brains poisoned by the two party system immediately jump to stupid conclusions like “oh, are you saying we should vote for republicans then?!?!?!” or try to dismiss all criticism by pointing out the obvious in that republicans are worse.
The thing with good cop, bad cop is that they both have the same objective and neither are on your side. It’s a great act, too, because people actually get fooled into thinking parties bought and paid for by the rich are somehow fighting for the common person.
Is it bizarre it doesn’t bother me that much about what happens to humanity at this point? Scientists have seen this happening decades ago and have implored companies and governments to make changes, only to land in deaf ears… so in a way, we saw this coming and didn’t care. We kinda had it coming. What I really worry for are the innocent animals, fauna, and flora that will definitely be affected by this. It upsets me even just a change in temperature can mean life or death for some species. I just hope we can still slow this down enough for them to be able to adapt too 😥
I’m sorry you feel that way, but I get where you’re coming from.
Zoom out a little though and it’s consequences are war, famine, and desecration.
If not the human suffering, consider eons long chains of biology that’ll be wiped off the face of the earth as climates shift quicker than their ability to adapt
Ha. That will be wiped off? We are actively watching a mass extinction occur. It’s not going to happen. It already is
I remember watching a clip from “The Network” where Jeff Daniel’s is interviewing an expert on climate change. It was when it was too late - and the expert lore or less said so.
It struck me as prescient - that despite all the warnings we’d be shocked when it came and it was irreversible.
Tbh it came sooner than I expected.
When even Florida is telling you shit is fucked… Shit is FUCKED
Florida has been saying this for decades. Some of the nation and world’s best climate research facilities are in the state. Think NASA, National oceanic and atmospheric administration NOAA, University of Miami’s ocean and climate research is world class etc. The state is almost all at sea level with 800 miles of coastline and an economy that depends on beach tourism so they have a huge incentive to mitigate climate change. “Smart Money” is pulling out of the state already, with major insurance being firms priced out of the market.
You need to remember Florida is a deeply divided state, something like 51/49 crazy/sane ratio, with the loonies narrowly holding the sane people hostage by a handful of votes. There’s 22 million people in the state and most of the ones in civilized areas are indeed sane. It’s the hillbilies out in the sticks that deny climate change. In 2018 for example they voted OUT Bill Nelson, a democratic senator with a history of supporting climate and science, and voted IN Rick Scott, the former FL governor who refused to allow his administration to even use the term “Climate Change.” (Bill Nelson later went on to be the head of NASA which is good but shows you the type of person he is, who FL voted out.)
This all goes to show why you need to listen to this FL meteorologist extra careful, because Florida believe it or not has some extremely bright educated resourceful people that are extremely motivated to fight climate change…but are unfortunately held hostage and muted by the lunatics.
To my understanding the ratio is more around 30:70 but gerrymandering has made it look more like 51:49
Trump won Florida 51/47 in 2022, desantis won 49.6 to 49.2 (!) in 2018 (although he won reelection 60/40 in 2022) and Rick Scott won Bill Nelson’s senate seat in 2018 narrowly by 50.06 to 49.93 (!!!). A difference of 10,000 votes in a state of 22 million. Not saying gerrymandering isn’t happening but those are first past the post elections to my knowledge so districting doesn’t matter. Florida is extremely close and it’s distressing how badly the Democratic Party has dropped the ball in the state and let it slip away so badly, although it is in brand with their inept record so…
Eh, the current thing is El Niño, of course climate change makes it worse, but this event happens periodically.
During non-el nino years do you also deny climate change?
Where did they deny climate change? Did they edit?
Where did they deny climate change? Did they edit?
This type of dismissal is a type of climate change denial.
“These things happen naturally.”
“The climate might be changing but it’s not as bad as is being portrayed.”
“Climate change might be happening but it’s not manmade.”
“Of course the climate is changing, we’re exiting an ice age.”Some or all of the above might sound reasonable but a certain type of person bounces from excuse to excuse without recognizing or admitting there’s an actual catastrophe brewing.
They didn’t say anything like that…
They said, in fewer words, that the current heat is climate change exaggerated by El Nino, which is true.
I don’t see how that’s denying man-made climate change, or misrepresents the severity.
You can give the benefit of the doubt. I’ll choose not to.
I literally said that climate change makes it worse but ok Mister know it all…
Man i literally said climate change makes it worse…
The self-inflicted extinction of the human race is a natural occurrence. /s
It kinda is… I mean we already tried several times.
Humans didn’t exist before God created them. This is a natural occurrence.
Humans created gods, not vice versa
Where the hell did I do that?
Ah my first downvote post reddit
Ok why? Any actual argument besides hive mind gambling?
A downvote without any context or corrections doesn’t really mean much.
So you think the climate isn’t changing because of carbon emissions? Oh my sweet summer child
I think the person brought up a point about El Nino and I was hoping to see an educated comment explaining why they were wrong, instead I just saw a lazy comment lolz quality comment.
I think the person brought up a point about El Nino as a thread derailment tactic, and deserves to be downvoted for said bad-faith action.
What?
Ah yes i have to be wrong because? The biggest Water evaporation zone is shifting places, African countries see immense raining, Europe a very inconsistent summer and usa a super hot one, these changes don’t come from climate change itself, thats El Nino. I literally said that climate change makes it more impacting.
Ah yes i have to be wrong because?
We’ll never know because the guy that commented just gave a snarky downvote without an explanation of why you were wrong.
Yeah the recent influx of average redditors is very noticeable…
El Niño is the least of our problems. Even the article mentions it only in passing.
El Niño is a major problem. Before it kicked in the North Atlantic sea surface temperature was a full degree above last years record breaking temperature. The addition of el Niño, this summer, could have a terribly effect on Arctic sea ice extent, and potentially catastrophic next year summer.
Also the Antarctic sea ice is freezing at the slowest rate since they started recording in 1979, it is currently 2 million km2 below where it should be. As the extent will be so low at the peak of the southern hemisphere’s winter, the melt season in summer, with the sea being hotter due to el Niño, is going to be pretty fucking bad. And with less white ice to reflect the heat, and more dark ocean to absorb it, it will get even hotter!
We temporarily crossed the 1.5°C threshold earlier this month. Next year it is likely we’ll cross is more frequently.
El Niño while it is a cycle, because things are so fucked at the moment, it will only hasten ecological collapse.
Oh and it might finally kill off most coral.
I didn’t want to downplay El Niño in any way. It’s just one of the problems we are facing.
Agree but I do think that our climate and weather systems are so complex that it’s just one big thing. It’s all interconnected. Like the soot from wild fire smoke landing on glaciers and sea ice, reducing albedo, increasing temperatures, making el Niño more hotter, causing more wild fires.
The article barely mentions it, yes thats literally why i said it, its right now the most impacting thing regarding Weather.
Climate change is one of the biggest reasons I don’t want children. I can’t put blinders on and then feel zero responsibility for dragging them into a hopeless nightmare.
It may not be as hopeless as you think: https://youtu.be/LxgMdjyw8uw
I’m sorry to be the one to break it to you, but Kurzgesagt just peddles capitalist greenwashing.
Capitalism will never fix the problem it has caused - never.
I really hope I’m wrong. Also, I love Kurzgesagt! Thanks!
Edit: I wrote that just before watching the video. I hadn’t even considered the idea of “weaponized hopelessness” that they talk about near the end, and how bleak thoughts and apathy ultimately help the fossil fuel industry. Good stuff!
Here’s something to consider about their videos though…
I appreciate the link, but Kurzgesagt is so anti-corporate so much of the time that I don’t think this is a significant issue. The above video of theirs is a great example. They’re not afraid to call out the man.
i have kids. i actively worry about how miserable their future may be. i try not to talk about this stuff to them much because i don’t want to scare them with it. i don’t think there’s anything i or they can do (except maybe vote).
I feel you. I have kids too. I fear for their future.
i try not to talk about this stuff to them much because i don’t want to scare them with it.
IMO that’s exactly the opposite of what you should be doing. Frankly, what we need is for folks to be raising a generation of Greta Thunberg-types.
See also the bit about “weaponized hopelessness” in the Kurzgesagt video mentioned elsewhere in the thread.
Once my kids get older they will be taught science properly, and they will be fully aware of the seriousness of our situation.
I know people keep saying “I don’t want my kids to suffer” but the fact is the only way out of this is getting more younger people out there AND ENGAGED to make a difference. Your child could discover a breakthrough to solve the problem, who knows? More population isn’t the real problem, it’s what that population does and what corporations do in support of those choices.
I’d rather have taken the shot and failed instead of never trying at all (born and tried instead of never born).
Your child could discover a breakthrough to solve the problem, who knows?
There’s no “breakthrough discovery” needed to solve the problem - we’ve known how to solve this problem for more than a hundred years now. It’s called “dismantling capitalism” - and it’s still our only way out.
The proletariat is treated by the bourgeoisie the same as a mob boss treats his underlings.
Just good enough to make them comfortable, but not too comfortable to elevate themselves or no longer need them. Comfortably uncomfortable.
I agree with you, but half the US believes certain people aren’t actually people, so we have a long way to go to dismantle the problems of our world economic structure. An armed reform will just lead to authoritarianism, always has.
More population isn’t the real problem
Having up to two kids per couple isn’t “more population” anyway. It takes 2.1 kids, on average, just to replace the older generation as they die off.
And you see the negative effects of this in many countries.
Don’t get me wrong, I totally get not having kids for financial reasons. I have kids myself, it’s been incredibly difficult. We’ve had to find the money and make ends meet, but at the end of the day we’ve been able to do it.
On the flipside, it’s also true that if we all simply give up and don’t have kids because the future looks so bleak, by definition we are admitting to a kind of psychic defeatism and epistemic hopelessness. Having kids is one of the best ways for regular people to have any hope of influencing the future.
This is the article that the linked article is about. I’m 99% sure Europeans aren’t going to be able to access that link without a VPN because a lot of the local news sites refuse to comply with EU laws .
Thanks, here is the archived article which is also available in the EU: https://archive.is/nBxrS
The world failed to take action against climate change, now they’re going to be late to take action to the adaptation of civilization to a dangerous environment. Too late to stop climate change, it’s time to think about adapting to a new environment.
Humanity can certainly adept to climate change, but these changes will also cause a lot of people to relocate. I’m not sure if society, in the current political climate, can adapt quick enough to be able to deal with the influx of possible climate refugees.
Weather and even temperature are a bit of a red herring in all this. The extreme weather is caused by the rising temps and feedback loops, but what’s happening is just the heat trying to normalize. We’re not going to end up with 70c at the equator and -30c at the poles. Look at the cretaceous temp, CO2, and fossil records and you’ll see that the temp evens out even with CO2 massively higher then today, and you end up with things like temperate rainforest at the south pole. Our real issue and the one we should be actively fighting against (as in actual in-the-street rebellion) is the absolute destruction of the environment. Chemical dumping, strip mining, industrial fishing, industrial agriculture, forever chemicals, microplastics, desertification and deforestation. These things are going to cause ecological collapse and kill almost everyone in the next generation or two, no question about it. We don’t have to worry about the heat getting us
You are right, all these other problems are also really bad. A lot of stuff is happening at the same time. It’s hard for me to read about all the shit that is going down and not be able to do anything impactful against these things.
Yeah its really tough and I try to limit my doomscrolling to the amount needed to stay informed. One huge problem with all this is that it effects the most privileged the least, and even the day to day things we can do to feel like we’re helping are only really available to those of us with that privilege. Like, I could say “start a vege garden, buy hemp and wool clothes, fix things in your workshop instead of buying new” but yeah, those aren’t really options most people can take unless we change the underlying structure of our society first. But then, why don’t we try changing society so we can then fix these issues? In the end, it’s all part of the class war, and we’re losing badly.
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I’m living in a flat, this limits what I can do on my own. But I’m looking into getting some solar panels to put up on the balcony, coupled with a storage battery this should bring down the kW/h I need from an external provider.
In the far future I would like to move out of the city and start producing more of my own food, but prices are just to high right now.
Don’t be convinced that by lowering your impact you can make any change. Corporations want you to think that because if the masses think that they are the issue then they can continue what they are doing. The only way we can contribute is if we all get on the streets and protest. If millions of people get out on the streets for an indefinite amount of time, stop working, stop buying things, and demand change then we will get change.
no, those peple will be just mowed down by automatic weapons fire until put in their place.
AI’s creators are taking care to ultimately obsolete as many people as possible. If you’re not a source of profit to a capitalist you’re disposable. If you’re a source of a cost then you’re to be disposed of as fast as possible. There are several billion people fleeing uninhabitable areas, they’ll gladly replace spoiled woke kids at their spots in factories and glass towers.
Sorry for bluntness but this is the reality in the minds of those who rule.
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Weather and even temperature are a bit of a red herring in all this. The extreme weather is caused by the rising temps and feedback loops, but what’s happening is just the heat trying to normalize.
More and more severe extreme weather events are a bad thing, aren’t they?
Environmental destruction is bad, yes. But climate change causes a host of major issues (adding ocean acidification to your list). Rising temperatures and extreme weather certainly will cause deaths and trouble long before the heat normalized, if that ever happens.
Bad weather is also expensive AF. There’s a reason reinsurers such as MunichRE aren’t on the climate change denial train: They see the writing on the wall of not being able to back the insurers you buy your flood insurance from at a price point anyone could afford. If the damages become too high on aggregate, things simply become uninsurable (hence also why states don’t require nuclear plants to have insurance but back them themselves but that’s another can of hidden subsidy worms).
People are talking about “but investment in climate-friendly technology costs money and we must think of the economy and prosperity” – motherfucker if you were thinking about prosperity and the economy you wouldn’t set us on a path towards cities being destroyed faster than we can build them. Broken window fallacy times a million.
This is exactly why my partner and I are not having children.
I’m a severe weather meteorologist for a government org (non-US). This is alarmist nonsense. There is plenty of proper statistical evidence for climate change, it’s bizzare that the opinion of one irrelevant meteorologist is being voted up to the front page. Most of the weather forecasters I work with know very, very little about climate change (as do most posters on here who love to type in short, sharp sentences to make themselves seem authoritative).
Please share with us your vast knowledge on this subject.
If now isn’t the time to be alarmed, when is?
So when I see records being broken every year, year after year, I’m supposed to be like “This is fine”.
Got it.
Work on your reading comprehension mate
Take that unhelpful response back to Reddit
Arguably, your post didn’t add that much to the conversation to start with
And your point is? Are you arguing that alarmism isn’t called for? That everything is fine and we shouldn’t try to mitigate emissions?
Or are you simply arguing that most weather forecasters know very little about climate change so… I guess I don’t know what?
Again, what’s your point? Are you just flexing or do you actually have something useful to contribute to the conversation?
Read my comment again. There is plenty of good statistical evidence for climate change, and if something is going to be bumped up to the front page it should be from a reputable source. Not “random nobody weather forecaster says thing”
I think every article that gets people to talk about the problems we are collectively facing is doing it‘s job.
For some people this might be the trigger to have a deeper look into the topic, because a more relatable person for them is pointing out a problem.
If you think there should be a climate change article from a more reputable source on the front page, then post one instead of uselessly complaining. Put up or shut up.
What kind of assholes are still having children?!
Dude, if you don’t have anything useful to contribute just save the energy your comment is taking up.
If you are just here to attack people without making a point go back to reddit.
You mean you don’t like the VERY OBVIOUS point I made. Well, tough! Having children today is massively irresponsible, and only assholes and ostriches are still doing it. Is that clear enough for you? Do I need to dumb it down further? The reference to ostriches refers to a cliche where those birds are said to cover their eyes when danger is around, so they are not upset by it.
Your last comment just didn’t add anything to the discussion besides attacking. I can understand where you are coming from, but sometimes things happen and change the way you are looking at things.
Edit: After reading your edit it seems you are angry at the wrong people. At least you have chosen an appropriate username.
Like we have for the last century? At some point, the doom sayers gotta be taken down a notch.
Remember when it was Global Cooling?
Ok, but I wouldn’t say this is the same at all. They talked about global cooling, they weren’t living in it.
The climate is getting hotter, faster than any other period in history. Other warming events have taken thousands of years, this warming event has happened in 150 years. This is irrefutable fact, as we have the temperature records to prove it.
Obviously the dude is not a biologist… Earth is gonna be fine long term, the other species are gonna be fine long term. The only thing we’re running into the ground is ourselves.
Edit: check out all these clowns below who have a human superiority complex so inflated that they believe the earth will die with us 😂🤡
The species driven extinct by climate change won’t be fine
Have you heard of evolution or are you one of those loons that believe “god” placed a set number of species on the planet and that’s all there will ever be? Asking for a friend.
Wtf are you talking about?
Why do you talk like this?
“Asking for a friend”
It’s very “holds up spork”
Doesn’t matter what I say here, you trolls will downvote it. So have at it.
It’s more to do with posting moronic shit, but you do you
Evolution works on very long time spans. Anthropomorphic climate change will be way too fast for species to evolve and adapt. I highly doubt all life will ever be wiped out on Earth, but we might lose 99% of current species with new species evolving over time. This is our dinosaur asteroid moment for sure.
And yet, life survived even the asteroid. It’s arrogant as all hell to believe we have more destructive power than that asteroid. Or that we deserve to live on a planet we are destroying.
Absolutely noone ever claimed that global warming was going to wipe out life on earth
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“earth’s vital signs blinking red”
Your reading comprehension is competitive… amongst rocks.
We are living through a mass extinction event right now. We have driven hundreds of species extinct even before getting deeply into the effects of climate change so it’s fascinating that you think that even more severe environmental change will harm no species at all.
You clearly love putting words in people’s mouths. Utterly unrelated to what I said. Congrats on your irrelevance.
Earth is gonna be fine long term
It’s a metaphor.
Like when people say “The economy is in trouble”, no one really cares about the economy itself. The economy will be fine. Even if it crashes by 90%, it’s still an economy, right?
What we mean when we use these metaphors is, how the life of people living in these systems will be affected.
Maybe a better analogy to the title is the life support system of a spaceship. If that system flashes you with warning lights, you’ll be worried, but not because the spaceship itself is in trouble. It will travel through space and time just fine, eons after it’s passengers have suffocated.
A better way to phrase this, is that you believe humans deserve to live because of your own ego about your worth compared to the entire planet. Carry on.
That’s maybe what you read, but not what I said. Putting words in mouths is a dishonest approach to conversation. Can we do better, please?
The idea was based on the assumption that one does not want humans to suffer.
Now when people talk about some ‘vital signs’ of a system in which humans live, be it economy, space ship or planet, it is usually meant and understood that they care about the wellbeing of the inhabitants, not about the state of the soulless system, even if that’s what they literally say. It’s a metaphor.
This is pretty naive imo, the destruction we are responsible for has already driven numerous animals to extinction. You really think entire ecosystems collapsing doesn’t involve other species dying too?
When even Florida is telling you shit is fucked… Shit is FUCKED
You triple posted FYI, lemmy is probably slow from the hordes of refugees from reddit.
This is why I’m not having kids.
Same for me. That and being an irresponsible man-child who could probably never handle raising a child.
Life finds a way, and if your in a well developed nation with a strong military you will be among the last to feel the full impact of it.
I felt this way before, but decided screw it, if people can laugh and smile and love, even if it’s only on occasion, while they work in a hell hole like a electronics recycling dump in Africa, then it’s still worth it to exist. Just teach them to hunt and garden and stuff and give them the best chance you can.
Yeah, I couldn’t tolerate bringing a child into a dying planet. Seems cruel if your following these things.
