Well, when anti-GPS and GPS collide, what do you expect?
Annihilation?
This guy physics’s
As much of a win as this is, there are any number of normal battlefield conditions and reasons this could’ve happened, that aren’t just “HAHA RUSSIAN MILITARY DUMB”
- Electronic warfare systems are typically cycled to allow friendly forces to use the spectrums they jam. These schedules are timed by counter-EW teams.
- Missles and bombs often have multiple guidance systems e.g. the GMLRS fired by HIMARS/M270 MLRS both GPS and intertial guidance systems.
- HARM (Anti-radiation missiles) could have been deployed to force the Russians to kill active radar systems of the SAM battery protecting this system.
- Laser guidance from special forces, or local partisan group, could have provided the targeting.
- The story itself could be part of an information or counter-intelligence operation to hide real means and methods used, or trick Russian military/intelligence.
And these are just a few reasons why while this is a win, should probably not be used as confirmation bias to underestimate Russia’s capabilities.
It doesn’t change that “HAHA RUSSIAN MILITARY DUMB” either though.
That’s just not accurate, and honestly, it’s dangerous.
Yes, the Russian military is deeply flawed and at times, comically tragic in its errors, but it’s still a lethal organization that has shown itself capable of learning and adapting.
That attitude is most concerning because the unsaid, but logical next point is, “then why hasn’t Ukraine won? Are they HAHA DUMB as well?”
You may not be thinking that, but that is what pumping that idea out into the ether leads to.
Yes, they have made mind boogling choices at times, but at other times, they’ve shown high levels competence and the ability to change and evolve their tactics, much to the detriment of Ukrainian forces.
Listen when adults speak to you
This sounds like a gag from the Roadrunner cartoon.
I want to read that the GPS jammer killed the GPS on the bomb which continued flying in an unintended direction until accidentally hitting the jammer.
Yo Dawgs I heard you like GPS so I gave you a GPS target for your GPS bombs.
I bet the jammers were unsophisticated enough you could just program the GPS to continue moving in the direction where the over the air noise levels kept increasing.
For all the legitimate criticisms of Russian military, their EW and Counter-EW capabilities are actually world class. Which is why it is a big deal when they’re destroyed, or captured.
Depending on the range at which the signals start to become jammed, it could be possible to navigate solely by IMU for the final leg also.
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I’m not sure I follow you. If the missile is using gps for guidance(during at least part of it’s flight), then it is by definition a gps quided rocket is it not?
Also, gps quidance isnt terribly expensive. I use industrial grade units which go for about 3kusd and provide sub-metre accuracy in highly gnss denied enviroments. Lower grade ~3m accuracy units go for around a hundred dollars, and would be completely sufficient for hitting a target the size of a truck.
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That “jammer” was definitely tampered with by the russkies’ corruption and greed.
Sounds like those bombs were wasted.
I do wonder what the impact will be on Russia’s military equipment export business thanks to this war. It’s pretty clear now how inferior their tech is compared to the west.
I think they are currently also having a massive brain drain with their educated population simply leaving elsewhere to get better pay and not get drafted.
Good.
If you are a college educated Russian reading this, please consider motivating all in your influence to move to another country that is not the Russian Federation; USA will pay you better and treat you better with your knowledge and talents and is a country occupied entirely by immigrants from every culture, so you will not have trouble finding your community.
If you are a college educated Russian reading this, please consider motivating all in your influence to move to another country that is not the Russian Federation
That sounds like a great way for a college educated Russian to get themselves locked up for decades. The better advice is to just get out without telling anyone you’re planning to.
That’s been happening since the collapse of the USSR. What we are seeing is a feedback loop.
The over quarter of a million casualties certainly isn’t helping them either
Serbia thanks Russia for it’s brain gain.
Second best army in Ukraine
This title confused me, because A-GPS is also a thing.
Can’t a GPS jammer be targetted simply by anti-radiation missiles?!
In my ignorance I’m thinking of it as basically a single really powerful emitter in a certain range of frequencies which would really stand out with the appropriate frequency filter, plus it’s not as if there would be any other ground-based emitters around in that range of frequencies as civilians for obvious reasons aren’t supposed to be using devices which emit in that range (receive, sure, but not emit).
Plot twist: the bombs used GLONASS.
Unlikely if it was a US provided munition.
That said, I generally assume that most English language articles use GPS as a stand-in for any GNSS constellation, regardless of which one, or combination of them, was actually used.
Although, there is a reason why the Russian pilots and drivers were photographed using off the shelf Garmin units… much like the rest of their military, GLONAS was a legacy Soviet project that hasn’t been well maintained or updated well post collapse.
I love how after all the tankie YouTube videos boasting the “superiority” of Russian arms, the S-400 and S-500, Iskander etc… we finally get to see that the entire Russian military is just vaporware.
I mean, on paper the S-400 and S-500 were very impressive and credibly so
They just didn’t turn out to be that effective in reality.
More like vaporized ware lmao
Overhyped systems and a combination of “it would be quite effective if someone didn’t sell half its components on the black market”.
I don’t think that’s entirely fair, the system wasn’t operating at the time of the attack. It does seem to work, it just jams absolutely everything.
