At least 13 people have been killed in a blast outside Gaza City’s biggest hospital, the Hamas-run health ministry in Gaza says.
BBC Verify has verified graphic videos showing badly injured and possibly dead people lying outside the hospital.
The Israeli military has confirmed it struck an ambulance that it says was being used by Hamas operatives.
It did not say where the air strike took place.
“An IDF aircraft struck an ambulance that was identified by forces as being used by a Hamas terrorist cell in close proximity to their position in the battle zone,” it said in a statement.
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Always say that Hamas was doing X.
Stop killing innocent people. Unless there intention is to radicalise more people.
If you killed my family I’d probably join Hamas.
The other thing is they justify it saying they drove us to this, but what drives Hamas to commit evil acts? Is it the oppression!
Back in the early days after 9/11, some brilliant genius made a Flash game to explain the problem:
You have a crowded marketplace filled with people in stereotypical Arab dress, and one terrorist. He’s easy to spot because he has a gun.
Take your mouse, point and click on the terrorist, boom. Dead.
The collateral damage from killing the terrorist impacts the civilians around him creating 3-5 more terrorists. You can’t “win”, there will always be another terrorist. Your own actions perpetuate them.
The idea being to teach the player that the violent action of killing the first terrorist is, itself, the wrong action. “The only winning move is not to play” and all that.
The problem for us, as citizens of the 21st century, is that first action and which side took it is so far removed from living memory that all we get is a continual string of arguments of “Well you did x” and “but you did y” and “we wouldn’t have had to do y except that you did z”.
We aren’t going to get ANYWHERE until someone steps back and says “Yes, what Hamas did were war crimes, and what Israel is doing in response are ALSO war crimes.” One does not justify the other.
Is it the oppression!
Objectively not. Most of the decision makers for Hamas live comfortably in Quatar.
It’s probably the multi-decades long commitment to genocide.
If Hamas is based in Qatar why are they bombing hospitals and refugee camps in Gaza?
Hamas top leadership is in Quatar. They’re insulated from the society they’ve created.
So the “wipe out hamas” operation is actually just a collective punishment for an organisation that they dont even think is based in Gaza. Glad you’re willing to admit that
There’s an estimated 40,000 strong Hamas army in the Gaza strip. That army has leaders and infrastructure on the ground in the Strip and was used to attack Israel on their big attack.
Eliminating the ability for that army to conduct operations is Israel’s goal. Just because their (Hamas) top political and military leaders are based in Quatar doesn’t mean Hamas isn’t in the Gaza Strip.
So no, it’s not an organization based outside of Gaza.
You think Israel has been planning this genocide for that long? Interesting take that I’d yet to hear.
I mean that’s not what they’re talking about (they’re just being a bigot), but this is just an escalation of the genocide that started in 1967.
I’m not sure that’s what he meant. @mwguy could you clarify about Israels multi-decade long commitment to genocide? You’re not a bigot either, right MW?
Tiny Pizza, Has has had a multi-decades long commitment to genocide. My whole life Hamas has been calling for the murder of every Jew on the planet consistently.
Really? How many did they kill?
As many as they’ve been able too. They went from stonings to gunfights to suicide bombers to rocket artillery to paraglider slave raids in my lifetime.
My whole life I’ve seen them dedicate more and more firepower to explicitly killing civilians
Hamas has had genocide in its charter since it’s establishment.
Saying they want Israel to stop existing is VERY different from calling for a genocide. And calling for “landback” is very far from genocide…
Oh they (Hamas leadership) explicitly have called for genocide separately too. In another place in this thread I linked an article where their spokesman said their goal was to continue to do more Oct 7 attacks until all the Jews were killed.
They never said “until all Jews” are killed.
Palestinians and Hamas can make the distinction between Jewish people and Israel.
Something Israel is incapable of doing. On purpose of course.
I’m going to ask what I’ve asked others who have made this “point” have you googled it.
Like this is a pretty basic, fundamental goal of Hamas. It’s not even denied by them when asked.
Their leadership when given the opportunity has consistently clarified that they indeed want genocide.
Can you clarify what they said then?
I can say confidently that I’ve seen plenty of Israeli leaders saying they clearly want to either kill or expel all Arabs and non-Jews from Israel.
I’ve never seen the same from Hamas leadership (and even less from other Palestinian groups - like Fatah and PFLP) that what they want is to either kill or expel all Jews from Palestine…
I’ve never seen the same from Hamas leadership (and even less from other Palestinian groups - like Fatah and PFLP) that what they want is to either kill or expel all Jews from Palestine…
Have you looked?
This is from just three days ago :
Ghazi Hamad, a member of Hamas’s political bureau, praised the brutal attack the group carried out in Israel on October 7 and said if given the opportunity, they would carry out similar assaults repeatedly in the future with the goal of eliminating Israel, The Times of Israel reported.
And they’ve said similar shit my entire life.
The state of Israel was founded as a colonial settler project. If you have never heard this before I’d be shocked to learn you’re from anywhere but the US
Hum… like just see what the far-right Zionist militias in the 20-30s had to say, or what the first prime minister of Israel had to say. Or what they fucking did in 1948? A literal genocide, the Nakba. Like genocide has ALWAYS been their goal.
Free Palestine 🇵🇸
