This is the best summary I could come up with:
A senior Hamas leader has refused to acknowledge that his group killed civilians in Israel, claiming only conscripts were targeted.
His claims are in stark contrast to the wealth of video evidence of Hamas men shooting unarmed adults and children.
Mr Marzouk, the group’s deputy political leader, who is subject to an asset freeze in the UK under counter-terrorism regulations, was interviewed on Saturday in the Gulf.
Mr Marzouk recently travelled to Moscow to discuss eight Russian-Israeli dual citizens snatched on 7 October by Hamas, a proscribed terror organisation in many countries including the UK and US.
Challenged by the BBC about the attack of 7 October, Mr Marzouk claimed that Mohamed el-Deif, the leader of Hamas’s Qassam Brigades military wing, had ordered his men to spare civilians.
Mr Marzouk is also listed as a specially designated global terrorist by the US Treasury Department, and is indicted on several charges of co-ordinating and financing Hamas activities.
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Challenged by the BBC about the attack of 7 October, Mr Marzouk claimed that Mohamed el-Deif, the leader of Hamas’s Qassam Brigades military wing, had ordered his men to spare civilians.
yeah I heavily doubt that last part. What Isreal is doing to civilians is cruel, unacceptable and should end immediately but let’s not forget that the Hamas is exclusively targeting Israeli civilians and also is willingly accepting palestenian civilians as casualties…
Hamas is not “exclusively” targeting Israeli civilians. Or do you think they are avoiding military targets? Israel also targets Palestinian civilians, and willingly accepts Israeli civilians as casualties. Literally everything you said applies ten-fold to Israel.
Hamas goal is to kill all jews. Israels goal is to kill all Hamas fighters. That doesn’t add up with your claim.
It is certainly convenient to frame this conflict purely in terms of racial hatred. In that case you may want to take a look at all the racist and exterminationist rhetoric that comes from Israeli politicians and settlers. Israel’s ultimate goal is annexation of all Palestinian territories.
well they are. Of course they also attack military personnel but their attacks on civilians are also directly targeted at them, there are not casualties like the civilians in the israelian attacks, which of course does not justifies these!
Maybe exclusively isn’t the right word then
Israel absolutely targets civilians, and if you don’t believe that they do, you are willfully blind. There are interviews with soldiers joking about shooting out the knees of protestors. International findings that Israel has deliberately targeted/killed journalists. Hell, they bombed refugees on a road they told them to take! Even if you absolutely refuse to acknowledge any of this, the idea that bombing a hospital or school, when you know that the ratio of civilians to combatants there is 100:1, is somehow morally stronger than if there were no combatants at all, is a ridiculous position to take.
It could both be that he told them to avoid civilians AND that fighters still attacked and killed civilians.
That being said, there is actually some evidence to sugeest that a number of October 7 deaths were caused by the IDF itself handling the situation badly and with little regard to the lives of the residents of one kibbutz. According to some eye witnesses, the soldiers who responded to the attack caused a number of homes to be demolished, and later bodies of civilians were found under the rubble. This is more consistent with what we see Israel doing in Gaza with no regard to the lives of Gazans nor the hostages.
Don’t get me wrong though, of course everyone will say they ordered their troops to not kill civilians. Even Israel does it and look at the result. Hamas shouldn’t have held any civilian hostages, especially not children and elderly that need care they are unlikely able to provide.
The soldiers probably made it all worst, but Hamas 100% caused civilian casualties. Even if Hamas members didn’t cause them, remember that Hamas asked anyone who had a weapon and was willing to storm the border with them to go in. There are videos of them dragging around wounded civilians and soldiers.
This is all fine except Hamas does not exclusively target civilians. It has been only targeting military vehicles and tanks since the incursion in Gaza (not counting the rockets dropped on Israeli areas, that don’t seem to be causing any casualties).
And sadly almost every death since October 7 has been caused by Israel directly killing civilians in Gaza.
We can twist the truth all we want but Hamas aren’t blanket terrorists (and I quite dislike them and their dumb strategy). Let’s not romanticize calling them some extrwme thing removed from details and context
I know that Hamas doesn’t exclusively target civilians. Hamas as the government of Gaza probably wouldn’t risk their public image by instructing it’s militants to target civilians, but their militants did cause civilian casualties and some of them looked like they were out for vengeance.
The rockets that Hamas fires are primitive and cannot be guided, and sometimes wind or other factors cause them to miss their targets. They have been targeting nearby civilian areas after giving warnings (lol), and while they are not as much of a terrorist organization as the IDF, they still have committed acts of terrorism on multiple occasions.
My bad, looks like that response was meant for the other person who claimed they only target civilians.
Issue is the Hamas are not an regular military force which makes it hard to target them, they are terrorists and exclusively targeting civilians. Every death on the 7th of october is related to them in the end, because they have decided to actively engage on civilians.
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Can you provide evidence that they exclusively target civilians given the fact that they have mostly attacked armed forces since the kibbutz was taken back?
Hamas are a lot of shitty things but this claim is factually false. And because it’s factually false, I can’t consider it much more than propaganda.
you want evidence from me that the attacks on the 7th of october were exclusively targeted at civilians?
Read my comment again, I’m talking about AFTER that.
a number of October 7 deaths were caused by the IDF itself handling the situation badly and with little regard to the lives of the residents of one kibbutz.
So the IDF handeld a situation very badly and killed a number of civilians, the cause of all that would still be the terrorist act on civlians by the hamas. It does not alter any of the points I made earlier:
Every death on the 7th of october is related to them in the end, because they have decided to actively engage on civilians.
The Hamas and any other terrorist group are rabid dogs, they need to go if we ever want a free Palestine and (!) a free Israel.
Israel’s response to Hamas is disproportionate and careless on purpose. There is blood on many hands, but those now being starved and dying of disease and bombed hospitals is 100% Israel’s action opposed by the rest of the world. Almost Every specialist, every human rights official, every person who is qualified to comment on this is saying Israel is causing civilian deaths, crossing lines, and committing collective punishment. We are not talking about a few thousands here and there that the IDF tried to protect but couldn’t… We are talking about 10k deaths, 2k under the rubble. This is not collateral damage.
How about every rocket Hamas has fired towards an area that isn’t a military base. That should give you several thousand data points…
Deny deny deny until you believe.
This is what a political stooge looks like, he clearly knows he is lying. But js trying to get the message out.
At least in Lemmy it is working, 90% of the leftists in this site would line up to give a BJ to the Hamas members
Now lets see Israel acknowledge all the babies they are killing.
Whataboutism?!
Now let’s see Paul Allen’s card.
“and that’s why I sent my terrorists with 4k cameras to document all their actions” LMAO
Fuck Hamas and all the leftists terrorist apologizers
They planned and trained storming houses for months, then sent fighters armed with grenades, knives and assault rifles to undefended purely civilian villages and a music festival.
“But don’t hurt anyone, k?”
