I’m talking about what they say at 8:20:
Bulletin boards, forums, blogs. The main difference to today was twofold:
For one there were no algorithms fighting to keep you online at any cost – at some point you were done with the internet for the day, as mind blowing as this may sound.
But more importantly: The old internet was very fractured, split into thousands of different communities, like small villages gathering around shared beliefs and interests.
These villages were separated from each other by digital rivers or mountains. These communities worked because they mirrored real life much more than social media:
Each village had its own culture and set of rules. Maybe one community was into rough humour and soft moderation, another had strict rules and banned easily.
If you didn’t play by the village rules, you would be banned – or you could just go and move to another village that suited you better.
So instead of all of us gathering in one place, overwhelming our brains at a townsquare that in the end just leads to us going insane, one solution to achieve less social sorting may be extremely simple:
go back to smaller online communities.
The best things on the Internet have always been the weird, random shit people do. Not what companies do to make money. When the business that runs a website that hosts content made by others starts forgetting that, they will inevitably fail.
They know this, and they keep trying to make it harder for the Internet to operate the way the fediverse does by adding laws that restrict it and repealing laws that protect it.
Or just forums.
Yeah there’s not much that the Fediverse adds to the equation that a forum wouldn’t handle. It’s actually worse in a lot of ways, because on a forum you’re not going to have seven different subforums dedicated to the same topics, like the federation does by having 200 servers each with generally similar and redundant subcommunities. Sports is a big example I use, because it’s the most evident.
One of the most popular moderation moves on this platform has been to lock these excess communities and forward them to a central one that is actually active.
Yeah but there’s literally nothing the Fediverse does better than a PHBB forum.
I actually hate the interconnected yet fragmented environment here - there’s absurd amounts of redundancies in communities, resulting in dead spaces; you don’t need 20 different federated servers all with their variations of the same communities, for example sports teams - you have fanaticus.social which is literally specifically for sports, but then every single local instance like midwest.social or lemmy.ca will have duplicate or even triplicate communities. This does nothing but make the whole platform seem big and empty and bereft of users or interactions.
That’s partilly more on the people creating duplicates without looking if the community doesn’t exist already.
Granted, the lemmy explorer tool might not be around for too long for people to be easily able to - since someone on you instance needs to known a community exists on other instance and access it for everyone to see it. And some people might just not be aware of it as well.
That’s partilly more on the people creating duplicates without looking if the community doesn’t exist already
Which is not bad; actually and to the contrary, it can be a part of each instance’s cultural identity and it’s a practical way of ensuring the diversity and viability of smaller instances.
Discussing c/soccer in an Argentinian lemmy can be very different than discussing it in hexbear, for example. Not to mention it’s likely most of everyone would’t even be able to participate in hexbear’s. Furthermore, general subjects becoming tied to the largest instances, which statistically have more surface to cover the creation of communities for any subject ever, returns us to the same problem of conversation and community becoming centralized into a “Reddit” instance.
A good perspective I didn’t have.
Are you talking about https://lemmyverse.net/ ? Why should it disappear?
What I meant is I have no idea how long it exists, so people might not have the luxury of using it to check for existing communities.
Didn’t mean to start a panic with bad wording :)
“literally nothing”
As if PHPBB forums didn’t have duplicated subforums
If they were properly curated, they didn’t. It’s not like an admin from any other instance can delete duplicate communities from other instances.
Admins can block them though. Infinite communties in infinite combinations makes a lot more sense when you think about content moderation. Like- imagine if the only politics community Reddit allowed was run by the r/conspircacy mods.
The fediverse is basically like PhPBB forums with a single login.
Why would the admin of one PHPBB forum “curate” subforums on another PHPBB forum? If you had 10 different PHPBB forums about politics in separate countries, they would all have a “world” subforum (or something similarly named) in each. The only thing happening with the fediverse is that you’re actively seeing what would happen if PHPBB forums were connected.
I remember there being at least 3 separate popular forums just for the Dodge neon.
I think once a community gets popular, the duplicates die away or act as backups when an instance goes down. That’s generally a good thing because instances have disappeared overnight, and Lemmy is still in development
We had a movies&tv instance that was popular, and then it disappeared overnight so the smaller local instances took over till we got a new popular one
Kurzgesagt Is becoming a conspiracy channel. As someone who experienced the era of Bulletin boards, forums, blogs. Kurzgesagt Got the information wrong. Yes, there was small communitys like current fediverse, kbin is such an example where Lemmy world is much bigger. Yet, nothing is bad about it.
Rules exist for a reason Kurzgesagt, always have been. They themselves should know how toxic people can become.
I recommend everyone to stop watching Kurzgesagt. Tell people to stop Kurzgesagt crazy thinking and tell Kurzgesagt how wrong they are.
Anything to substantiate this? What specifically do you have an issue with?
The source clearly outlined that people will stay within their community because they believe in their choice. Yet, Kurzgesagt makes no mention of it. The other source is from news papers mentioning social media platforms and impact on people. Looking into the research tells you everything else. The data was collected in certain areas but should not be used as evidence for all of the internet. Things like video, music and outside activities take time and just claiming to only look at past twitter or only older people of Facebook isn’t going to get enough context in internet problems. Kurzgesagt Will never mention the research because the research is saying they want more data.
I stopped watching them when they did their climate change video, which was such a corporate greenwashing feelgood bullshit video that I just couldn’t justify it anymore.
What are you even talking about? I feel like I got 0 useful actionable information from your comment, just a vague sense of dread. What rules are they breaking? What specifically is wrong with this video?
Kurzgesagt is saying internet is bad. However, the research they source is telling people that the internet is just being misused and governments aren’t doing anything to protect everyone. The other research says humans will stay in what they believe because of their social network. Kurzgesagt Will never mention it.
Isn’t it kinda the opposite? A fediverse is not multiple separate isolated villages, it’s a bunch of villages all bundled up together in one place within walking distance.
kinda. but compared to e. g. Twitter its much more splinteted. Twitter is more like one giant city. also your seeing mostly what Twitter decides. mastodon shows you what you subscribed to. things are less viral.
The villages being meaningfully separate spaces is more pertinent than how far apart they are. I’m on the instance that I’m on because of communities it federates with I’m interested in participating in. I moved instances to achieve this.
Maybe they’re soft launching on the fediverse 😄
Would love to see it. An explanation video on how the fediverse works, put out by Kurzgesagt, would be so helpful
Little instance-birds dying and exploding in spectacular fashion, all to a comfy jingle and a soothing narration of how the Internet is Doomed Regardless.
Kurzgesagt — in a Nutshell.
These villages were separated from each other by digital rivers or mountains
But the concept of federation in the fediverse removes these separations.
Not really, each Mastodon or Lemmy instance still has its own culture and rules. Federation just allows you to travel across borders with your same passport.
