• GrayBackgroundMusic@lemm.ee
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    Not in my case, I think. Very stereotypical conservative, religious parents. Have rejected many of their bigoted values, kept the work ethic, tried to carry empathy to it’s logical conclusion rather than stopping when they thought it was hard. I’ve changed religions. I think my country’s military policy is abhorrent.

  • BananaPeal@sh.itjust.works
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    Pssh, not me. I was born into a homophobic redneck culture and I hated it. I now consider myself an LGBTQ+ ally and computer nerd.

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      Same. I grew up in rural Ohio (USA) going to churches talking about the “synagogues of satan”, people at school saying “that’s Jewish” for something lame, lots of words I won’t repeat here about a number of ethnic and sexual minorities, etc.

      It all basically never sat well with me. I moved out when my mom remarried which was a bit before my senior year of high school. Bigger city, bigger school, more diversity, etc. quickly proved what I had long felt: humans are humans and neither their religion nor ethnicity nor gender identity changed that. This would have been in the late '90s.

      I now live on the other side of the world from that place (Japan, of course, having its own issues with things like gender and racism, but that’s (a) mostly the older generations and (b) a story for another time). Before I quit facebook years ago, I did catch up with a couple of people. Most of them did not change, but many of the bad ones got worse (this would have been around 2016) and emboldened by far-right groups growing in popularity. Living as a minority in another country also taught me a lot of about privilege and accidental racism.

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    This is one of the ways that I know none of the religions claiming to be the “truth” are true.

    99.99% of the time, your religion is based on who your parents are and where you were born, not what is actually true.

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      I’ve always been stifled by people getting born into one of religions and suddenly thinking it is the true one.

      Like, how likely it is for you to be born straight into the correct religion when the world is full or heresy?

      How do you differ for all those believing, with same dedication, in something else?

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    Basically what I think about gun support. It’s statistically awful to be around guns or be around those with guns. But we still have them and some of us fight for them because they feel safer when they’re really, really not.

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      You sound white and privileged; try being a minority in a place where cops are racist/sexist/genderist and crime is high and see how fast you will change your mind.

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        You sound white and privileged and trying to shove pro-gun arguments into the mouths of minorities because you think that’s some kind of uno-reverse card to liberals.

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          Non-sequitur. Do you have any argument to refute anything I said so as to help change my mind and make us both better people, or just continue to remain a useless loser your entire life and leave it at that?

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        Do you think pulling a gun against a cop will help you get home safely?

        (I am not argueing against your point that there are bad cops. I just don’t think pulling a gun against a cop will help you stay safe.)

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          You know how I know you’re a white privileged kid that never grew up with any adversity? You never considered that cops will delay their response, if respond at all, to help you because of your skin color, income demographic, sexual preferences or gender identity.

          You went straight to the ignorant thought of a gun owner addressing cops with violence and not a criminal trying to rob you in front of your family or being trans living in a community that wants you not to exist.

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    It’s even more fucky when you start to consider if the ideals, values, and beliefs you hold are actually ones you yourself have determined, or if you’ve just chosen those because it’s been passed onto you either by culture, society, or your environment.

    Take the old adage “treat others how you would want to be treated” - is that something you believe because you’ve just been told that for so long? Or is that something you intrinsically believe in regardless of what others have said? It’s only an example, and I’m not honestly even sure if it conveys that idea 100%, but shit like that keeps me up man lol.

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      Take the old adage “treat others how you would want to be treated” - is that something you believe because you’ve just been told that for so long? Or is that something you intrinsically believe in regardless of what others have said?

      For what it’s worth, this is essentially the “tit-for-tat” strategy from game theory, and you can rigorously prove it to be a superior cooperative strategy in many situations. Essentially, cooperation with others enables greater community success than everyone going alone, but trusting others always exposes you to selfish people that will take advantage of you. The optimal strategy is to cooperate by default, but if someone reveals themselves to be untrustworthy, stop cooperating and ideally work with others to punish them.

      You actually see this bear out in nature in other animals as well. Vampire bats will share blood with other vampire bats that didn’t successfully feed, but they also keep track of individual contributions, and if they identify that a bat is freeloading, they’ll stop feeding it. By default, they cooperate to help each other, but if a selfish actor is identified, they stop helping it.

      In the abstract, so long as most actors aren’t selfish and the cost of being betrayed isn’t too high, tit-for-tat is the optimal strategy.