The Chinese leader Biden told China’s ambitions to control Taiwan were unchanged at a meeting meant to reduce tensions.

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      1 year ago

      Pretty sure the founding documents are more like… the constitution, not some super creepy thing that only school kids recite. A thing that wasn’t even a thing until a civil war era union officer came up with it.

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    Even Taiwan considers itself part of China, it just thinks its the mainland that’s in rebellion. It would be weird if he said they’d never take over Taiwan.

    I can’t see the CCP risking an invasion anytime in the next decade, but who knows.

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      No.

      A majority of Taiwanese support independence. Only 11% want to re-unite with the mainland one day. Taiwan has to continue to support the status quo because China will most likely declare war on them if they change that.

      This is the same China that couldn’t wait a few years to let Hong Kong fully transfer over before cracking down with brutal protests (Which helped the Taiwanese independence movement a lot). If they feel like Taiwan is going to go independent, it’s pretty likely they’ll make another rash ill thought out decision.

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        I think you misunderstand what the person you are replying to is saying. He isn’t saying that the majority of Taiwan considers itself part of the CCP and wants to reunite with the current Chinese government. He is saying they consider Taiwan as part of Taiwan’s China and would like to rule over China again with the CCP gone. Taiwan is where the Chinese ruling party fled to when the rebels won the civil war, which was then taken over by another country, then another country, then set free to be independent, and now the CCP/China wants Taiwan to be in their fold.

        I disagree with the assessment that the CCP won’t risk an invasion in the next decade, though.

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          No I got it. I’m aware of the

          The younger generation think of themselves as Taiwanese. Believing they still own the mainland and will reclaim to reunite the countries is not what people believe or want these days.

          Taiwan does not want the rule over the mainland, it wants to be its own country.

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      If he did that there’s a good chance of a conflict that leads to war without international support. Basically everyone who doesn’t want to give up relations (cheap trade) with China has an opening to blame the US for the outbreak of war (even while condemning the invasion itself) to stay on China’s good side. China would then likely attempt to use the situation to further erode the USD as the world reserve currency - which is really the biggest weapon they can wield against us.

      Right now Taiwan is Kuwait in 1990. If China invades we can claim moral high ground and move in as an international coalition. Until then we can just make sure our allies agree with our stance. Publicly if possible.

      Edit: Though Biden could and should encourage some of our Generals to issue “No Xi won’t” memos. They can get away with it on the international stage.

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      I’m glad he didn’t. Authoritarians are not known for their sense of humor. There was that one time he told Putin “I don’t think you have a soul” to his face. The reply was basically “we understand each other”.

      Then there was the time Obama roasted Trump at a dinner, and it made him so bitchmad that he ran for president.

      Maybe zingers should stay out of politics.

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      No, they would very thoroughly lose. China’s in no condition to take on the US, let alone decouple its economy from the global community.

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        “global” is turning out to be a small handful of countries, and the other block is actively securing the rest of the world into their influence

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          I mean, I agree, but that doesn’t mean China could “win” in an offensive military action against Taiwan. Taiwan is literally a fortress and Taiwan/China cultural overlap is too significant to drive strong warmongering sentiment.

          An invasion is such a silly suggestion that it doesn’t even need consideration. At best, it would be a pyrrhic victory with millions dead on both sides and the island in ruins.

          The far more likely scenario is a blockade, sorry, “economic embargo” of Taiwan… Of course, Cuba is a clear example of how a blockade economic embargo doesn’t really work, so…

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      The “Democratic” Party is owned by China, Republicans of course by Russia? 🤔

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      He’s playing both sides, so he comes out on top.

      I let kbin auto-fill the post contents/title, surprised it edited it like so?