This has come to mind because all the chatter about Meta federating.
I see a lot of people saying they’d love to have that type of content here when Meta federates, and that those will be the best instances because they will have the most content, but they will still be accessible without compromising their privacy.
I truly don’t get this.
I’m not here for mass-produced content, if I wanted that, I’d be in other platforms. The beauty of these communities is they are not filled with posts that are all the same, algorithms and bots. It’s just a community of real people having conversations.
If you want mass-produced trendy content, please, consume it elsewhere, and when you are inevitably fed up, then come here and enjoy the slow-paced, real community.
PD: I hope this doesn’t come across as wall-keeping (or however it’s said lol), It’s my honest opinion.
Somebody help me, where is Meta expecting to populate it’s communities in Threads from? From it’s existing millions of sheep on FB and IG, then hope to get people from Elon’s sinking ship? I personally don’t see the advantage for us associating with that pool of people. They got 30 million sign ups already i just heard lol. I guess their sheep responded to the call immediately
What will stop the bots? Were literally on a platform because the other one cut off moderation bots…
Bots are necessary. But having moderation bots and other useful ones like the one for reminders is one thing, and another one is bots posting spam 100 times a day.
How to stop it? No idea
Edit: typo
I agree thoroughly. The main reason me, you, and the majority of people moved here was to catch a break from the barrage of monotonic, brain-rotting content on mainstream platforms.
That’s just plain wrong. The main reason the majority of people moved here is because they don’t want the way they view their content to be controlled by spez/musk/whoever. I’d bet most of people here (me included) would have kept consuming what you call that “barrage of monotonic, brain-rotting content” on reddit if not for spez forcing us to use his shitty ads- and trackers-filled app.
Exactly. The only reason that Lemmy is seeing such a dramatic increase in user population and activity right now is because people are showing Reddit and Spez that they disagree with what they’re doing. Will it kill Reddit? Too early to tell if we’ll even make a dent. But it’s silly to say that most people are here because of some heartfelt desire to break free from the shackles of social media.
It’s funny pictures and jokes that I read while I’m pooping, my guy. It’s not that serious.
Hahaha. Ahhh. Funny picture and jokes while I’m pooping. Can’t do that shit anymore with Reddit that’s for sure.
Not in a manner that doesn’t also discourage me from using the site, no. And clearly, if you check my post / comment history here you can see that I was being sarcastic. But only to a point - different people want different things, and a platform like Lemmy can provide for everyone. For users like me, I want all the content in the world without the algorithm mucking up the stream to prioritize sponsored content and advertisements. I want to be able to quickly pivot between memes, sports, gaming, music, news, and technology posts all on a single platform. Had Reddit not made that impossible with their poor decisions, I would not have migrated - nor would the majority of users currently on Lemmy. This is just classic NIMBYism, but hopefully it dies out and the fediverse continues to grow in popularity, with and without Threads.
i left reddit not because i have to use their shitty app - i left because it was completely crystal clear that the management attitude toward users is extremely toxic and hateful. Basically repeatedly gave the community the finger, and continues to do so. It’s their playground, but i dont have to go where i feel unwanted.
That’s definitely a big part of it, too. I think the app symbolizes the chain of decisions that led us to where we are right now. We said, “We want to use the site how we have been using it for a long time” and they said, “Go fuck yourself.” So we did.
i’ve seen quite a lot of content from tiktok, over on reddit (basically a repost?)
I refuse to go on tiktok myself
But i will gladly watch a 30 second clip if its funny or interesting, regardless of where it originally came from.
i’ve already seen older memes reposted here anyway. not like we can avoid it…
I agree completely.
I recently compared it to sitting in a comfortable little cafe that serves delicious food and looking around and saying, “Gee, I wish this was a McDonalds.”
It just doesn’t even begin to make sense to me.
And I’m with you - gatekeeping or no - anyone who wants Twitter or Reddit or Facebook content can already go to Twitter or Reddit or Facebook to get it, and that’s exactly what they should do.
That’s what had me confused at first when people were leaving Reddit but going “bRiNg ReDdIt CoNtEnT oVeR aNd DeLeTe ReDdIt!” and using the whole “we need content” as a reason.
Like, if y’all want content from social media platforms… use those social media platforms. In my mind’s eye, I see the Fediverse as more of an old-school forum where people can make any forum for specific communities, not as a content-vomiting platform.
For sure if they want that content they can just go there. Lets not turn our cozy little café into a McDonalds as you say.
The issue I have with this analogy is that the food here isn’t quite that great. Maybe the service is better and it’s less crowded and more friendly, but the menu is pretty limited and not everything it serves even matches the fast food’s quality. I guess there’s merits from being loyal to your local cafeteria and its community even if it’s not always the best, but lets not exaggerate the quality being delivered here.
I used to browse reddit for gaming news, especially indie games, and the communities I found for this on Lemmy didn’t pick up any momentum yet.
Mm… you do have a point, but I would argue that the content is generally better at the very least to the degree that it’s actual people sincerely posting things rather than bots, shills and karma farmers spamming and/or astroturfing.
And yes - niche communities are extremely underpopulated here.
I don’t think the solution to that though is to aim for more generic “content” with the hope that it’ll lead to broad growth and that a byproduct of that will be to bring more people who happen to share your interests. The solution IMO is to get on the communities you want to see grow and start contributing stuff, right now. Even if you’re just posting to one person, keep at it, and pretty soon it’ll be two, then three, then…
Just defederate the Meta instances, and your problem is solved, right?
It’s not like saying “I wish this awesome little bar is a McDonald’s” but “I don’t want to go to a bar in a city that also has a McDonalds”.
More like a small town that used to have real restaurants that got driven out of business when McDonalds came to town selling shit on a plate so cheap it was impossible to be price competitive with food suitable for humans.
The mere existence of McDonalds dramatically hurt the options available.
Well… yes and no.
I’m not talking about any effect I think it might have on me, because yes - I can just avoid the instances favored by morons.
To belabor the analogy a bit more, it’s not quite accurate to say that they want this neat little cafe to be McDonalds - they want the entire town to be McDonalds. They want to be able to open up their door snd see nothing but McDonalds, stretching to the horizon in all directions.
That that literally can’t happen - that the decentralized nature of the ActivityPub means that the most anyone can ever do is turn instances into empty wastelands of brain-dead “content” one at a time - doesn’t make their viewpoint any less perplexing to me.
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that’s a great analogy
It’s appropriate because that kind of shit happens irl, too. Small city with a cool local vibe becomes popular, people move to the city because it’s popular, all the popular stuff gets priced out and paved over to make room for more Starbucks. Then people whine about how cool the city used to be. Gee, I wonder what happened to it?!
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But, I think part of the issue is that communities that folks are interested in being a part of, about certain topics/etc, just aren’t active enough here yet. I’m glad to see some are growing, and my personal experience is improving over time, but I keep finding communities that look like something I’d love but have zero activity ir content in them. So I do understand folks wanting to fill parts of this with content in general, even if it’s content similar to what they would’ve gotten on Reddit, because content and activity is what will help build those cool communities over time.
I only wish I had interesting or important things to contribute to the communities I’m interested in, I never know what to say or do to help build a community that’s nonexistent or essentially so. 😥 so far I’ve just been commenting wherever I can, for the most part, hoping that helps.
I hear you! You and me both, I’ve always been more of a lurker on almost every social media. However here I feel more comfortable posting than anywhere else because I know people aren’t here just to troll, gain followers through controversy or self-promote, so it feels way better.
You’ll get comfortable soon enough
I appreciate your comment and points you made. Hope you keep at it too!
But I’m here because I can’t get reddit content anymore in the format I want to consume it. I didn’t have an issue with the content of reddit, just the owners.
I’m in the same boat. I want Lemmy to be a firehose of content, the overwhelming majority of which I won’t ever want to interact with. I want that because different people are interested in different things, and that’s what allows for even the niche communities to find their footing with more than a small contingent of people.
I think the tools at our disposal as users and administrators of Fediverse systems are already good enough to manage and control your own experience, and I’m confident that they’ll continue to improve at a rapid click. The experience of using Lemmy as a Reddit replacement has already improved dramatically since June 12th, and it does so every day. I appreciate that others may feel much more strongly about the “dumbing down” of the overall content and community than I do, and for those folks joining an instance that outright defederates is a great option.
Folks are quick to tell people how they should be using Lemmy. “Don’t sign up for one of the big instances, you should use a small one instead because federation” is a big one - but there’s a lot of appeal in this model with being signed up to the instances generating the majority of the content the broader community is consuming because it makes finding that content easier than it otherwise would be. My hope is that the larger instances like lemmy.world will at least test the waters with Threads federation to see what it actually does to the community before taking the step of defederation, because right now those large instances are what’s feeding the rest of the rest of Lemmy.
As it stands, having those large instances federated with Threads and having smaller communities defederated seems like a best of both worlds scenario, because a small instance defederating with Threads won’t lose out on the other content being generated by those larger instances, but those who want to trudge through the mire of mass appeal can do so in one place.
I don’t necessarily disagree, I just think that the solution is to cultivate the content here. Not connect with the same old corporate platforms that caused the problems in the first place.
I wouldn’t mind if someone stole and curated the top posts from certain subreddits I’m interested in.
I really don’t dislike reddit for their communities but for their CEO and corporate greed. The content is great.
I’m not there because I don’t want to give them money after they mistreated their users.
Same. Ideally, Lemmy would be a Reddit replacement for me.
But it can be a replacement with original content. Even if they have the same topics, it’s beneficial to let each community grow their own culture.
Also, I don’t think that the way to deal with “there is content on a platform that I don’t like” is to run from it. It’s to make better filtering systems to choose what I want. Two reasons:
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First, some people like different things. They shouldn’t have to use different platforms just for that.
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Second, stuff like spam will show up anywhere that has decent size anyway eventually, once there are enough eyeballs for it.
I think that the goal should be to have plenty of content of all sorts on the Threadiverse, and then just have good filtering tools that are hard to subvert.
Reddit didn’t let people build the filtering tools they wanted in and in some cases – like when it came to their own ads – were actively opposed to that. The Threadiverse solves that problem for me.
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I thought I didn’t until I came here and realized how nasty Reddit has become. You can go days on Lemmy without encountering an angry asshole.
I got a tired of the cliched site culture and some people’s attitudes. I suppose it’s because it’s such a large slice of the public that you get more people being dicks and leaving drive-by jerky comments. The overdone in-jokes and pun threads got to be a bit much too. I needed something like Lemmy to demonstrate what I was missing on reddit.
The Eternal September begins again I guess
Especially given the armies of people who cross post any decent content to all networks. I hope that here, due to no monetary benefit and no karma, it is only for the love of sharing. All the good content will make it here, but rather than being a firehouse of crap, the community nature should make the relevant communities more focused.
I still use Facebook for local groups. I think even they realise that niche communities without outrage are where the growth will lie. That’s likely why they are scared of federated networks. It could easily kill them over time.
No karma? What are the little arrows for?
I think what it means is that it doesn’t add up all the little arrows across all posts and comments, by default. Although, I suppose an instance, external tool, or browser plugin could still do that.
Thank you for explaining. I was wondering about all the talk of (lack of) karma.
I don’t know, I had some good tweets back on SpaceKaren.social.
This site is an aggregator. I want to use it to aggregate content I want to see.
It’s trivially easy for you to not be exposed to things you don’t want to see here, so I’m not really understanding the issue
Yea, most content isn’t original anyways. If it’s actually good content I don’t care where it’s from
I will just say, that image of what the fediverse is (or ought to be), while not rare, is not shared by everyone.
If you actually want gatekeep only high effort posta you might want to go to Tildes.
I don’t think gatekeeping is the answer, I mean I always wanted this platform yo grow horizontally unless there are many, many instances and a lot of people for variety. If you want to see only high effort content only join appropriate communities, it’s as easy as that. To justify blthr block because it will taint the space is just a bad arguments in my eyes.
If you want to see only high effort content only join appropriate communities, it’s as easy as that. To justify blthr block because it will taint the space is just a bad arguments in my eyes.
couldn’t agree more. there’s certainly plenty of ‘content’ on the fediverse that i have absolutely zero interest in and would rather not see - but i can control that pretty easily even as a new user so I don’t see the value in gatekeeping. maybe I dont care about linux but maybe both the linux user and I both like catswithjobs - that’s the beauty of diversity, of finding common bonds amidst the differences and celebrating together.
It’s for karma. Nothing more.
Federation with Meta will probably not have a huge effect on Lemmy. Threads has no communities after all.
It will probably be mostly a Mastodon thing.
That was my take as well but I’m also an ignorant slut so more than happy to hear reasons why I’m wrong
I’m also an ignorant slut
Just wanted to say that ya made me laugh with that phrase lol. I too enjoy using “slut” in a myriad of fashions
Your username is a hell of a reference, haha
Couldn’t agree more. The reason I came here was to get away from the algorithm driven inanity of big social.
And I can’t help feeling that the only reason Meta wants to federate Threads is to kill the threat of the fediverse off.
It feels like I found a nice mom n pop shop but Walmart and Starbucks are trying to force their way on the same block. I get that you can defederate or block communities you don’t want, but having FB shove their way in this space feels intrusive.
I just want more sports content and right now, the fediverse has absolute shit-quality sports content
Seriously! I just want a college football community or magazine!!!
I have to admit, but I think it’s up to us to bring the firsts steps that will help to create inertia. At least I’m trying
Completely agree, and I’m really appreciative of people that put in an extra effort to create that inertia
That would probably be a good focus for a Lemmy instance if someone was looking to run a good-sized one.
I just came from Reddit after the shut down of third party apps, how would one even find sports content here? That’s mostly what I used my reddit for
I just went to your profile and you have posted no posts about sport. Anywhere. Ever. How about providing the bench standard of posts you’d like to see? Stop being so passive in your annoyance here.
I’m just sharing my opinion as to why people may want the influx of people via Meta et al.
And it’s not like I haven’t ever participated - the very first “Live Thread” I’ve ever participated in sports-wise was the Nuggets’ clinching game to win the NBA championship. It was a ton of fun, and had me extremely hopeful. But it’s tough to keep that kind of personal momentum.
Although that was on my Lemmy account (I joined that first, but I’ve kinda fallen more in love with kbin).
I dunno, I don’t really have the energy or free-time to be a part of something like that from scratch - especially during the doldrums of the sports year (late-June through August). I’m almost 40 and just don’t have the ability or drive to contribute all that much. Whether here or on Mastodon.
At the moment, I’m trying to put my energy into starting up niche communities/magazines for my favorite content creators in The Majority Report and Behind the Bastards.
But you’re right, I should be the change I want to see. Hopefully come the NFL season, I’ll have found some sort of foothold for contributing to the various communities.
I respect your thoughtful answer. Thank you for fleshing it out also. I don’t know much about sports, I’m also a bit lost here so I haven’t contributed any content yet, so I honestly am appreciative of your reply
I feel META getting into the Fediverse platform is a great idea, brings it to the masses more easily. We just need to make sure META doesn’t take control of it as everyone should be able to use the platform they wish to use.
It’s a slippery slope down the path of corporate enshitification. I say we shouldn’t let them in and others like them to start.
Then the platform will probably not get far as most people aren’t looking for ‘alternative’ platforms instead want to use what is popular, If a main stream company uses the systems then it means the mass of people will be able to access it and therefor hopefully make people more aware that you don’t have to use the ones from META and any other company that want to get into but if the company truly has the users intrests at heart you’d hope they’d make the platform fair and hopefully with less data collection.
Then the platform will probably not get far…
Honestly, it doesn’t need to. “Getting far” right now means polluting the platform with mass-produced junk content instead of genuine discussions and interactions.
The platform and its current rate of organic growth is perfect as it is.
It’s a common practice for most of big companies. Infiltrate, take control and destroy.
It’s been an often employed corporate tactic, embrace a technology and make it popular, extend it so outside interests can’t employ it, then squeeze all the profit they can which inevitably kills it.
I feel like “great idea” and META don’t really belong in the same sentence
Better than “great idea” and Elon Musk tbh
Nah dumbass billionaires are dumbass billionaires. At least Elon is doing the work for us of taking the piss out of his reputation.
Not really. Musk is a man child that is quickly becoming exposed as not the genius.
Meta on the other hand is a large multinational that has had its hand in manipulating governments, mental health and personal image issues, conspiracy theories and genocide.
I couldn’t give a shit if Elon attempted to move here because he’d make a balls of it. Meta should be resisted at every opportunity.
Recall that one of the first things Elon did with Twitter was to unban fascists who had been banned for harassment & calls for violence. That’s not “childish” — that’s malicious collaboration with criminals & oppressors.
A fair point and while I’d prefer he stayed away I still think meta is a much more dangerous entity to allow get a foothold.
