I get why World and many others defederated from Burggit. Obviously it has questionable content which is not great to have stored on big servers for legal reasons.
But look at Threads, owned by a company which steals data and causes harm to anyone in any possible way. If you don’t see their actions questionable as well and don’t see how they are parasites trying to leech on the fediverse and suck everything away then there was no point in defederating from any questionable instances.
This is the first I’ve head of burggit. Does anyone have a short, eli5 summary on what type of community it is?
Basically a instance for people that just don’t want to be censored, basically everything is allowed there and that includes stuff that many find “problematic”
Three words: creepy anime porn.
It started as a typical Lemmy instance with a focus on lack of censorship, and now it’s the “if your porn is too weird for Lemmynsfw, it’s welcome here as long as it’s legal” instance.
it’s an instance for people who remember how the internet used to be. without jannies micromanaging every corner, and with the expectation that nobody owes you protection from whatever you might find; if you go looking, finding something you don’t like is your own fault.
Obviously it has questionable content which is not great to have stored on big servers for legal reasons.
It’s less a function of size and more of location. Burggit serves lolicon, which isn’t legal in a number of places like Canada, but is protected by the First Amendment in the US.
It looks like lemmy.world is in Germany or thereabouts, or at least that that’s where the netblock of the last-hop router between it and me are located.
It sounds like Germany uses a roughly-similar rationale to the US, that the only content that is illegal involves actual abuse of minors or – because it creates problems for enforcement against those – content that looks realistic and is indistinguishable. Hence, lolicon sounds like it’s okay in Germany.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_status_of_fictional_pornography_depicting_minors
In principle, the regulations in Chapter 13 of the German Criminal Law for offenses against sexual self-determination also prevent the public advocation and the degradation of minors as sexual objects.[73] The distribution of child pornography, defined as pornography relating to “sexual acts performed by, on or in the presence of a person under 14 years of age (child), the reproduction of a child in a state of full or partial undress in an unnaturally sexual pose, or the sexually provocative reproduction of a child’s bare genitalia or bare buttocks,” is criminalized with a penalty of imprisonment.[74] However, with regards to possession, only material depicting actual or realistic acts is criminalized.[74] For reproductions of persons over 14 but under 18 years (youth pornography), the penalty for distribution is imprisonment or a fine.[75]
Nevertheless, due to the guaranteed freedom of art,[76] fictional works were officially deemed legal or can be checked by a legal opinion.[77] According to German legal information websites, acquisition and possession of fictional pornography depicting minors where it is immediately apparent that the content is purely of fictional nature, such as cartoons and comics or anime and manga, are not prosecuted against unless it is not readily distinguishable whether the depiction is computer generated or real.[78][79][80] The Federal Government also made it clear that the criminal offense “should remain limited” to cases “in which an actual event is reproduced through video film, film or photo”. On the other hand, it did not regard the sanction of the regulation as fulfilled in the case of “child pornographic novels, drawings and cartoons”, because their possession did not contribute to children being abused as “actors” in pornographic recordings. [81]
That being said, given that lemmy.world is the largest lemmy instance and is a common choice for newcomers and presently often the first of what newcomers see of lemmy, setting aside legal concerns for the instance operators, I think that it might be a good idea to not have the default content have lolicon sprinkled through it. Obviously, that’s up to the instance admins, but if that’s not what they want to do, I’d suggest that it might be a good idea to have some instance that acts as a “front door” to recommend people to that does do some level of censorship.
I don’t think it’s a question yet. I’ve seen several people say today that Threads doesn’t have federation enabled. It’s possible that they’ll want to stay in their own walled-off ecosystem.
But I do think it would be prudent to have a plan of attack ready to go to cut them off immediately if they ever change their minds about that. Every respectable instance in the Fediverse should.
Yeah it’s not enabled yet, just planned.
You don’t have to qualify your opinion that Threads should be defederated by bringing up the lolicon instance. They are two completely separate instances and the questions to defederate from either are completely separate.
Burggit, Exploding-Heads, and Threads each have their own reasons for defederation (lolicon, nazism, corporate influence) and it doesn’t make any sense to bring up one when discussing the other.
