“It also confirms for many people in the world the allegation that Israel does intend to commit genocide,” he added.
Yes. Yes it does.
It honestly seems pretty clear only to apartheid regimes hell bent on ethnic cleansing.
what’s clear to everyone is bibi and the far right are doing genocide. his popularity is around 4% over there, and the court just said sorry bibi, you still gotta stand trial for theft and corruption. what we call “the far right” is what the ancients called “evil.” it’s all about greed, lies, hatred, killing, blood, cruelty, and so on. nothin good come of it because it’s literally evil. doesn’t matter what the nationality or history of where it’s born. bibi has no more care for jews than he does for palestinians, just like the far right over here doesn’t give a rats ass about the rednecks and fanatics it winds up for its own gain.
But when I post anything anti-genocide - I get banned from Facebook for being anti-Semitic?
Well it’s because you’re not an Israeli lawmaker.
Israel means to assert that to be Jewish is to be genocidal.
They created this extermination camp.
Now they confirm they did it deliberately.
No country should ever support them again.And yet the US govt just said there is no war in Ba Sing… I mean… no genocide in Gaza.
This is an excellent reference. Very cogently used as well I might add. Avatar the Last Airbender was truly ahead of its time, and one of the greatest pieces of children’s media ever made in my humble opinion.
It is media that’s consumable by children, but I would absolutely not call it “children’s media”. It is a show that can be - and is - enjoyed in depth by humans of all ages.
Yeah, but how will America maintain peace and security without a military base in the Middle East (btw totally not colonialism)? (/s obviously)
Maybe they can use all the other bases they have in the Middle East?
Less bases? ALL of your base are belong to us.
I have a question but I want to make it clear that I am asking in good faith as I fumble my way through understanding the complexities of geopolitics, and I am not casting aspersions or pushing a conspiracy theory. I am especially not taking a position in defense of Israel, or against their accountability to the ICC.
Okay, that said: Is South Africa pushing this at the behest of Russia, like as a BRICS thing? The only other thing I can think of is that this helps improve the image of an embattled ANC at home.
I get why they have a unique perspective given their defeat of apartheid, and that’s likely the steelman for why they are advancing this, but that just seems like too pat of an answer.
I would love additional perspectives on this.
As horrible as South African apartheid was, what is happening to the Palestinans is degrees worse.
Ordinary South Africans still remember the deep damage Apartheid perpetrators inflicted on us, it’s poisonous remnants are still affecting us as a country to this day as we try to heal as a people.
Now imagine South Africans seeing what Israel is perpetrating against the Palestinians, now and in the past. It’s a punch to the gut, a searing pain, to see what was done to us and our parents being done to Palestinians. We’re seeing a gross refined version of Apartheid that was inflicted on us being inflicted on the Palestinians. And largely the so called west/ global north is cheering for the Israeli Apartheid regime commiting genocide. It makes me sick to my core.
For these reasons there is immense pressure on our government by civil society to denounce Israel and support Palestine. It does help that the ANC has always been pro Palestinian in the first place. Also it’s elections this year so the ANC definitely wants some good pr too.
I would say that these points factor in way more than any link to Russia or China
Only on Lemmy would you need to add all of those disclaimers before asking a legitimate question.
Or a person sees shitbots parroting Kremlin and CCP talking points all across the web and wants to avoid getting lumped in with them.
Have you just never experienced what manners are good online discourse look like? I admit its rare thing, but your statement reads like you’re looking at a filet mignon and asking why its missing a leaf of iceberg lettuce, a dollop of ketchup, and a sesame seed bun.
Perhaps, but I was conditioned more by reddit than Lemmy, as were likely most of us.
I don’t think it’s a BRICS thing at all. It’s what their own population want. South Africa has long been critical of apartheid in Israel.
Moreover back when South Africa was under Apartheid, for a long time Israel was one of its main trading partners even after the west had imposed sanctions, and it also contributed directly to the white military. They eventually joined the boycott but the damage was done.
I suspect whats going on here is that the South Africans know what kind of people Zionists are, since the old apartheid government used to partner with them.
An additional perspective is that the Apartheid government became an ally of convenience with Israel to the point that they created a joint nuclear weapons program together. Then you have the political pressure African union states have for maintaining robust trading agreements with Arab states. There’s a ton of history there
Thank you for this!
Do you ever wish you could be there just to call all of these people out? I mean I don’t possess the eloquence to do it right but still. Seeing people in suits calling for the destruction of others really makes me grip my palms.
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That’s the language of the team on defense!
To the Israeli lawmaker I ask:
Gazans? Certainly you mean Hamas, right? RIGHT? The military group that attacked Israel on Oct 7th. Because if you mean really mean “Gazans must be destroyed” then that is the dictionary literal definition of genocide.
edit: for clarity to whom I’m addressing my questions
The Haaretz page seems to be unavailable right now. Here’s the MSN version:
And an archived copy:
The Haaretz page seems to be unavailable right now. Here’s the MSN version:
Apologies if my post wasn’t clear. I wasn’t questioning you personally, but rather the cited lawmaker in the article. I’ll edit my post to make that clear.
No, I just somehow managed to post my reply under your comment when I meant to post it at the top level. I didn’t have any issue with your comment.
Wow. Amazing. How the tables have turned.
"You see this shit!? This is why we kicked them out. " --Spain
Realistically I’m not a proponent of genocide or exile against anyone (and no one should be!), but I really do feel like the world would have done Israel a true favor by nipping this Middle Eastern paranoid tribal victimhood thing in the bud back in the 90s or earlier. This is a fine example of how terroristic activity has nothing at all to do with a religious system.
Israeli lawmaker Moshe Saada from Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s Likud party said on Tuesday that recent widespread calls to “destroy” the residents of the Gaza Strip affirm that the right-wing was right.
In an interview on pro-Netanyahu Channel 14, Saada said that even “in the kibbutzim they say, ‘destroy them.’ My friends at the prosecutor’s office, who fought with me on political matters, in debates, tell me, ‘Moshe, it is clear that all the Gazans need to be destroyed,’ and these are statements I have never heard.” This proves, he said, that the right-wing was correct just as it was on the Palestinian issue.
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In November, Far-right Eliyahu said that that dropping a nuclear weapon on the Gaza Strip is “an option.”
Eliyahu, a member of National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir’s Otzma Yehudit party, maintained that “there are no non-combatants in Gaza.” He was then asked, in light of his views, whether a nuclear attack on the Gaza Strip is an option. “That’s one way,” he responded.
Seems pretty clear and unambiguous what he means. This is calling for genocide.
In response, Ben-Gvir said that the Eliyahu was only speaking "metaphorically.
A ridiculous statement.
A metaphorical nuclear weapon, much better.
Does it mean they now admit the Vela incident was them?
So they are fast tracking from a Madagaskarplan to a Wannseekonferenz level, just with the roles of the players replaced.
If anyone should keep their fingers out of such ideas, it is Israel.
