I recently went to a Burger King in a nice neighborhood the other day. I hadn’t been to a Burger King in a long time but I was there before the bank opened. I walked in and it looked just like this, all the seats were rigid, cheap, small and uncomfortable (I am not a large person). There were no fountains for drinks. There were no dispensers of any kind. The seating area was basically just a small hallway to a restroom. It wasn’t a place you were supposed to eat. It was more like a display from a shopping mall department store window and just as uninviting.
Inside you had to order from the digital kiosk. I assume that burger king transitioned to making the drivers window the priority during the pandemic. All the space in that building was probably allotted to increasing the size of the kitchen.
They still had the original burger king playpen and maze but it was permanently locked with an out of order sign.
For some reason I did not properly parse the “without” part of the headline, and came in here to ask why McDonald’s patrons are just drinking ketchup now.
Free refills on ketchup? I’m drinking ketchup.
It always amazes me that in the USA you can go and get a free refill at McDonald’s. Like you can get unlimited soda just by buying a cup?
I mean it costs the company ~10¢ per cup and they charge ~$2-$3 for the cup so I’d damn well better be able to refill it for free
That’s what I’m saying, it’s incredible! Here where I live fast food places don’t offer free refills, you have to buy another soda if you want more
Where i live I even have to pay for extra sauce 🤣
Yeah, you’re not really paying for the soda. You’re paying for the labor that goes into providing the service, maintaining the equipment, etc. Oh, and the paper cup which probably cost more than the liquid you put in it. The high margin on things like soda also subsidizes the cost on lower margin food items.
The true value of soda is also somewhat obfuscated by the fact that most people’s point of comparison is packaged soda. A bottle you buy at the store also didn’t necessarily cost a lot to make, but actually distributing pre-made soda to retailers is a lot more expensive than shipping syrup which can be mixed with water on-site. That added cost is built into the price of packaged soda.
When I worked fast food, the cup was about 10x more expensive than the contents of said cup. Since nobody will fill their cup 10x, the cost of the drink is negligent.
s/ligent/ligible/?If the cup cost them 10c then likely the soda is at like 1c to fill it.
Fill it ten times for 20c total and they still making bank.
Yes. Soda costs McDonald’s less than half a penny per ounce and they charge upwards of $3.50 for a large cup. It’s almost all profit. The ice probably costs more than the soda.
You can buy a fountain drink and can do your own free refills at most fast food places like McDonald’s, Taco Bell, Wendy’s, etc.
Some persons will be unethical and request a free water cup, and later on fill it with soda when no one is looking. Depending on your perspective, this is immoral, but of course it doesn’t hurt the store’s profitability since not everyone does that. I personally don’t do that.
Some fast food chains are removing access to the fountain drinks to discourage that behavior and shift the blame to customers - “bad customers steal drinks, so you’ll all be punished and have to wait in line to get a refill.”
The real objective is that companies can take more profits by “having” free refills, but making it “more inconvenient” to get it. On a busy day with your family at a fast food restaurant when the lines are long, how many will take extra time to wait in line for a refill? More profits in the hands of the owners.
My brother-in-law is the get a water cup kind of guy, also only buys with a coupon and will clogg the line by making several separate orders to get the most “value”.
Chick-fil-A is a place that makes it inconvenient to get a refill by waiting in line. They claim it’s for customer service and food safety but it’s so you ask.
Part of the rationale was always that it costs the company more in cashier pay to get a soda, than it dies for the customer to get a soda. I suppose that calculation changes if you have the customer pay for the refill ps by overcharging initially, but then discourage them from getting it
I’ve not been in a McDonald’s in decades. Nice to see? I vaguely recall fountains in there but I’m left wondering how much sugar water does one need? Diabetes in a cup anyone?
Add what the fluid does to interfere with proper food digestion no wonder so many are so sickly and overweight.
I wish like financial literacy they taught proper nutritional health that served the public versus the corporations.
They have these sickly consumers screaming government over reach when they try to curb these products with regulations trying to convince everyone, they are just weak and they should be able to override these rewards centers that have been hijacked in the brain with willpower.
Meanwhile at the same time these groups then desire the strong arm of the law to come down very hard on drug addicts when they are just another form of a addict but a less severe form that is functioning somewhat.
It’s a quite the duality to witness. Humans are interesting…
I’m at my healthy weight, I believe in the decriminalization of all drugs, and I frequent the soda fountains at my neighborhood convenience store. But you’re right, I guess it’s just a matter of time before I devolve into a blathering fascist in the ICU being treated for severe, life-threatening Fanta withdrawals.
Bruh theyre trying to save money, not save the world
Did you have to buy a Fedora or did it materialize on your head while you were writing this?
Mcdonald’s is going away from self-refill. You can still refill it but an employee will do it.
Interesting. Do you know why?
I remember decades ago the ads on TV when burger king added self service fountains. It was a BIG DEAL to have unlimited free refills.
Uhm, money? What other reasons would a big corp have?
I read exactly this article, a week later my go-to was closed for 3 weeks everything but the drive-thru, then this pic.
and by design, it will discourage customers from getting even a single ‘free’ refill. it already takes 5 minutes to have a human take an order at the counter. if it takes 5 minutes to get a refill, very few will even bother, and more than a few will opt for a larger and more expensive drink to begin with.
they take so fkn long now to ‘prepare’ an order once it’s placed, i’m always deep into my first refill (and sometimes on my second) by the time the order is ready. if i can’t refill as i wait, i’m going next door to burger king or culvers.
The ‘reasons’ I have heard make little sense.
One reason often quoted is it will reduce wear on the machines. All you do is push a button.
it’s all about the profits. that’s the only ‘reason’ they’re doing it. every time someone pushes one of those buttons, it costs them a nickel or some-such, out of their already insane margins on those beverages.
It is going to cost them even more now since they are paying an employee to do it and still refilling it.
that would require adequate and attentive staffing at the counter… which they already don’t have. if nobody ‘sees’ you at the counter with an empty cup, nobody has to be paid to fill it back up.
I rarely go through drive through. I don’t want to eat in my car. I almost always go in to eat when I go to McDonalds. I will say the staff does not pay attention at all. They are so focused on drive through and playing on their phones, I could be on fire and they wouldn’t notice. I will say, they rarely get my order right. The only plus is I rarely go to McDonalds.
I used to play pool with my cousin. It was an interesting afternoon once, me jittery from alcohol withdrawal and him from Monster – so sugar and caffeine. Boy he looked like hell.
Laugh as we might just because the health affects are not immediate versus long term doesn’t mean there isn’t ramifications.
Alcohol will mess you up in the short term and in the long term in more ways than one especially for those that abuse it.
Oddly one of those ways mimics over consumption of sugar.
But not to worry just like the culture of alcohol and tobacco had us convinced that there are no health issues at all to worry about, it’s the same mate for those operating on massive rushes of sugar and caffeine in energy drinks.
They might not appear mentally drunk but rest assured their bodies are…
You know how we can instantly tell 90s restaurants because of their tacky decor? This interior is already like that. The fake bleached wood all over everything that looks cheap and horrible will be iconic for now.
It’s been years since I last saw them in McDonald’s here in Germany, maybe even a decade. I’m surprised they survived that long wherever OP is located.
Netherlands here. Same. Can’t say I remember ever seeing a customer facing drinks fountain at any fast food chain place anywhere in the country. Hell, even anywhere in the EU. I was about to say anywhere in Schengen, but although I have been to Switzerland once, I haven’t been to a Swiss Macca’s.
Aussie checking in, similar situation. I remember there used to be one at the hungry jacks facing the customers, and it always had puddles of liquid on the ground. Perhaps that’s why it was discontinued.
They’re not on the American Style Burger places any more, but Ikea in Sydney has customer-controlled fizzy drink fountains.
When you wrote fountain drinks dispenser, a different picture formed in my head. (And I looked confused for a short while. I guess. )
It’s not this:
But this:
I’m not up to date, why is McDonald’s removing drink dispensers?
Greed. It’s harder for McDonalds to nickle and dime you if they are giving soda out for free.
