cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ca/post/15261947
ROME — The population of the Gaza Strip is suffering “unprecedented” levels of “near famine-like conditions” as the Hamas-Israel war drags on, the UN’s agriculture agency said Monday.
Some 550,000 people are now likely facing catastrophic food insecurity levels, while the whole population is in crisis mode, the UN’s Food and Agriculture Organisation (FAO) said.
In a conversation about the situation with two people I care about, they both felt the need to say 'the situation is complicated ’
I’m struggling with that. What’s complicated about standing up against genocide?
“It’s complicated”
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“Though I recognize the present day situation is pretty fucked up, I’m afraid to speak out because extremist Zionists have purposely distorted the definition of anti-semetism to include legitimate criticism of the government of Israel, and they have harassed, doxxed, and ‘canceled’ people as they see fit”
It’s disgusting watching how the horrors of the holocaust and all the pain and suffering the Jewish people experience during pogroms and actual anti-semitism throughout history, get hijacked by zealots for their political causes, and is used as a shield to stifle debate and nuance
Okay, I’ll bite. It’s complicated because Israel is now a fact on the ground. It is spear-won territory, whatever you might think of that morally. Israel was created by the UN, the existing Palestinian population was largely pushed out so that the Jews would be able to form a majority ethnostate. Naturally, the Palestinians and their neighbours weren’t too happy about that. So, they fought four wars against the Jews, and the Jews won. The Palestinians continue the struggle using guerilla tactics and terrorism. The Jews, understandably, crack down harder every time this terrorism happens. And the harder they crack down, the angrier the Palestinians and their neighbours get. It’s a shitty cycle that has been happening for decades. On top of that, the foreign governments and religious fanatics that support the Palestinians are also usually shouting Death to America and the Decadent West. And some of them then commit terrorist acts in the West. So, yeah, it is complicated for Western observers. If the situation wasn’t complicated it would have been solved years ago.
I’m sure we all know the truth, which is that most people in the West are just tired of it. Yes, young people get upset about it for a while, but then they become just as cynical about the Middle East as the previous generation. We all know that the Israelis and Palestinians have to make peace. That can’t happen until the fanatics on both sides are out of power. Atrocities have now been committed on both sides, and once grief has taken over from anger, those atrocities will have to be duly punished on both sides so that the pre-October 7 situation will be thoroughly discredited. Peace will only be possible if both populations simultaneously prioritize peace and compromise, and elect leaders who feel the same way.
There will be peace because one side isn’t going to exist in a few years. Israel is definitely moving into the west bank after they’re done with Gaza.
There is no way that the Palestinians won’t “exist” in a few years. The question is whether Isrsel and Palestine return to the pre-October 7 status quo, or if the two sides will be sufficiently motivated by the war to prioritize a two-state peace over their national ambitions.
Who else will rebuild it, Gazans?
Nothing. But the fact that IDF and the Israeli government are genocidal terrorists may be difficult and uncomfortable for moderates who just want to be able to live their privileged lives without having to deal with the dirty topics.
I think that’s it. They both come from places of great privilege inside of a very privileged country
Unprecedented, but not unexpected and unplanned (by Israel).
Israel has definitely weaponized this. They deliberately are preventing sufficient aid to reach Gaza, preventing the transport of this aid to the northern Gaza and as of recently started an active campaign to discredit UNRWA.
The UN is toothless, don’t expect anything from the UN. General rule is people don’t move to change their leadership (Hamas in this case) until they’re literally starving and that’s what Israel is hoping happens in Gaza so they don’t need to set up and run their own puppet government long-term.
And how exactly do you propose that the civilians of Gaza overthrow Hamas? Hamas have all the weapons and the majority of the population wasn’t born the last time they were allowed to vote, let alone old enough to vote.
Fact is that Hamas is not a normal government/army that can be defeated by conventional means but a terrorist organization. As such the worse the Israeli government abuses the Gazans, the easier it becomes for them to radicalize new recruits and the more power and influence they gain.
The current situation is exactly what Hamas wants and needs and the worse it gets and the longer it goes on, the better for them.
Hamas is also great for the right wing Likud fascists. that’s probably why they transferred suitcases of money to them.
