This is a statement from his wife from the Munich Security Conference:
"Thank you to the conference for giving me the opportunity to speak. I’m sure you have seen the terrible news. I kept thinking, should I come here or go be with my children. And it occurred to me that if Alexei was in my shoes, he would be standing on this stage.
I don’t know whether to believe the terrible news we received from Russian government sources because for many years – and you all know this – we cannot believe Putin and his government; they are always lying.
But if it is true… I want Putin and his friends and his government to know that they will bear the full brunt of responsibility for what they did to our country, my family, and my husband. And that day will come very soon.
I want to call on the world community, everyone in this room, people all over the world to come together and defeat this evil, this reign of terror. Putin must be held personally responsible for the horrors he did to my country, our country, in the recent years. Thank you."
That poor woman and his children too. Fuck that disgusting human for killing him.
I fear that, sadly, you won’t have to feel sorry for Navalny’s wife and children for too much longer.
And we will keep allowing oligarchical tyrants like Putin to rob us and slaughter our heroes and communities. If we were better people we would’ve put a stop to this already, but the framers know we’re pathetic, which is why fascism will take over the world. For too many decades now I’ve seen movements, protests, demonstrations, voting, all these ways fail us time and time again, only making things slip into worse and worse situations. We need to stop playing the game by their rules, but we can’t even agree with eachother in Lemmy comment threads let alone organize to do anything that matters.
but we can’t even agree with eachother in Lemmy comment threads let alone organize to do anything that matters
That’s the point. They run psyops to keep us mad at each other.
A big part of the problem is that everyone worships this idea of ultimate freedom, that intrinsically includes by nature of its absolutism the accumulation of power (whether money, political, religious, etc.) Even Democrats and some progressives. Look at America’s political system right now, everybody’s screaming you have to vote for Biden to stop Trump but nobody asks why aren’t we pulling back executive power and strengthening our systems against abuse - because “D” OR “R” what good is the “freedom” to run for office of it doesn’t include the “freedom” to wield that power as you see fit?
There has to be a bar. On power, on money, and yes on freedom insofar as ones ability to hoard it via power and money. A handful of people can hoard like 80% of the world’s wealth but some asshole you never met across town can’t (not to minimize trans but from how it affects one from a 3rd party perspective) get a new haircut and wardrobe because they’re more comfortable as Laura than they are Steve? Eat a whole ass.
Yes, it’s a tricky proposition and not one we’re likely to breach, and likewise we’ll continue letting singular nut jobs wipe out huge swatches of innocent people in the name of “ultimate freedom.” There’s no easy right answer, but
A- We’ll never stop these issues until people learn to redefine this extremist vision of freedom
B- Everyone’s going to screech about “ThEn WhO mAkEs DeCiSiOnS tHeN?” and I’m going to go ahead and counter that with “how about we start with NOT nutters like Putin and Netanyahu? Then come talk to me.”
The Navalny story is puzzling from beginning to end, like mentioned elsewhere his political views were pretty wacky and basically ethnonationalist. But in the west we can not deal with anything more complicated than Good Guy - Bad Guy stories so Navalny had to be the good guy.
But what is strange to me is why Putin would want him dead, and more importantly if Putin wanted him dead why it took him so long. The Russian state has shown to be very effective at killing dissidents in the UK what made it so difficult to kill someone in a Russian prison?
The only thing I can think of is that Putin was ambivalent if Navalny lives or dies, and that the attempts were made by (minor) officials within the FSB acting on their own.
I thought I saw him explain that he wasn’t an ethnonationalist but did tolerate such people supporting him because he wanted a bigger coalition to go against Putin.
A bar with Nazis in it is a Nazi bar
Why now? Russian election coming up, I guess Putin wanted to (a) remind any possible opposition what happens when anyone aspires to be a leader other than Putin, and (b) remove the chance of Navalny doing something unpredictable that cascades into a problem.
Boris Nadezhdin is working on appealing the order preventing him from running.
And, since we know that Russia’s judiciary is independent and strong, we can trust that they’ll treat his appeal correctly.
Or they’d been starving, torturing and mistreating him for a long time and this is when his body gave out.
RIP Navalny.
I remember him flying back from Germany to Russia after the poisoning. Watching Ricky & Morty with his wife.
Very brave, but incomprehensibly stupid.
If ever there was a person who had a justified claim to political asylum, it was him.
Brave, but not stupid. It was self-martyrdom—self-immolation. The only thing Навальный did not expect was just how long it would take Путин to crucify him. Now, at last, Путин’s fate is sealed, and by his own hand. Just like Israel, if the IDF pushes half of Gaza into Egypt.
Just fyi, I wouldn’t use the Cyrillic spellings like that because you haven’t conjugated them correctly so it just looks like you’re trying to seem more knowledgeable than you are of the russian language. But you also spelled the midget’s name wrong its “пидарас (pee-da-ross),” have fun triggering orcs with that one =)
I didn’t know хуйло fell out of fashion. Pidors may come in many shapes and forms, while хуйлуша is this one exact disgusting person. Let’s be precise in our despise.
There’s the polite and shy version of пуйло or хутин .
I use the Cyrillic spellings to better reflect pronunciation. I don’t give a fuck about Russian’s totally fucking insane grammar. I know Russian grammar. Only too well.
The first two are actually right. Both are nominative singular.
Only “Путин’s fate” is wrong. If I were to respect Russian grammar, but again, why?, it would be “fate Путина”.
Why respect the spelling and pronunciation but not the grammar? Seems kinda arbitrary.
It is not respect for the language. It is the minimum amount of respect every person gets when addressed by their true name. Even Путин deserves to be called by his true name. Though that is really all he deserves.
Nobody else knows or cares how Cyrillic is pronounced versus the language the rest of everything written is. You’re just confusing people, especially if you don’t care about proper grammar to match your capricious language hopping.
Were you confused by what I had typed?
Yeah, so much so that I had to tell you about it in that last comment I wrote.
Yes, I see. I’m sorry. I really thought it would be pretty clear what each Cyrillic name meant, even to people who had never read Cyrillic before.
But I do immensely enjoy the ironically homophobic joke. Homophobic jokes are appropriate when making fun of a country of homophobes.
I disagree with this. Using a characteristic of a person as a slur harms all people with that characteristic.
“Stupid” is a characteristic of stupid people. Do you disagree with its usage as well?
How did you get a homophobic joke from a pederast?
The English “pedarast” is not a great translation. Not vulgar, or like, swear-wordy enough. Doesn’t capture the Russian connotations. See https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/пидарас
пидорас Russian
Alternative forms
пидара́с (pidarás)
пдр (pdr) (SMS slang)
пдрс (pdrs) (SMS slang)
Etymology
Deliberate mispronunciation of педера́ст (pederást, pedɛrást).
It then goes on to say
Noun
пидора́с • (pidorás) m anim (genitive пидора́са, nominative plural пидора́сы, genitive plural пидора́сов)
- (vulgar, offensive) fag, faggot (homosexual)
- (vulgar) asshole (mean or rude person)
Haven’t these people read 1984? They don’t just kill you. They torture you until you say what they want to hear, and they keep you under close watch until the public forgets where you are. Then they kill you.
Exactly what happened
Navalny most certainly wasn’t stupid. He understood what he was getting into when he got on that flight back to Russia. My guess is that he hoped his arrest and detention would spark an uprising, which sadly didn’t materialize.
I would not have made the choice he did, but I’m also not as brave as he is. Fuck Putin.
He understood what he was getting into when he got on that flight back to Russia. My guess is that he hoped his arrest and detention would spark an uprising
Then it seems like he really didn’t understand what he was getting into.
This comment: visualized
I don’t think Navalny believed any resistance would be mounted for him - he might have had hope but I don’t think he counted on anything. I think he chose to go back knowing he would likely die. He chose to be a martyr to maximize the effect he’d have.
Maybe you should all watch the documentary “Navalny”, it literally shows you him and his wholeteams reactions on his way back to Moscow… Very harrowing but a must watch.
May he rise as a martyr the Russian people so desperately need.
Too bad, russian people are apathetic sheeps, so they wont do anything
Imagine, how weak and insecure Putin must feel to do this with any competition in his country…
Yeah this is the very opposite of a strong man move. Really weak look.
Edit: great quote from Blinken
His death in a Russian prison and the fixation and fear of one man only underscores the weakness and rot at the heart of the system that Putin has built.
What’s Putin’s murder tally ip to now?
i count ukraine war victims as murdered by putin. either russian or ukranian.
It’s over 9000!
I would really recommend the documentary Navalny:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navalny_(film)
I knew almost nothing about the guy prior to watching it, and what happens to him is fascinating. He’s not perfect but I do believe what he says and he really wanted a better Russia. The balls on this guy!!
Drives me a lil nuts that when something important like this is made and it gets exclusively stuck on one streaming platform.
They did make it available here https://navalny-film.io/ although without English subtitles from what I see. Hopefully this will change at some point, but feel free to watch if you understand Russian. Otherwise nobody was ever going to blame anyone for watching a ripped copy.
I never understood why the guy went back to Russia after they tried to murder him last time. There was really no other outcome that could realistically be expected. Was he really so keen on being a martyr?
It’s not about being a martyr. Check out the Navalny movie. https://navalny-film.io/ maybe they will add English subtitles at some point soon, otherwise it’s available in streaming platforms and torrents.
Sometimes there are things a person chooses to do that are bigger than themselves.
He chose to allow himself to be a martyr. Hopefully it makes a difference, but it very likely may not.
Who knows, maybe his sacrifice paves the way for his successor.
Just a couple of days ago someone told me Putin would never kill him because that would make a martyr out of him. What a timing.
RIP Nawalny. You died for something bigger than you.
Apart from the known one, russia has a long history of suppressed revolutions
In a 2007 pro-gun rights video, Navalny presents himself as a “certified nationalist” who wants to exterminate “flies and cockroaches” – while bearded Muslim men appear in cutaways.
Seems your comment is pretty negatively reviewed but I’d love to hear the arguments against it. I’m gonna withhold my vote until maybe doing some light investigation later when I’m not busy.
Smearing Navalny’s name is inappropriate when the bigger-picture thing the article gives is that, in 2024, a political dissident died in a gulag, which is the real news here.
Even worse: if you consider where we are, it could also have been an attempt to spread the narrative that he deserved to die, which is disgusting. But let’s not assume the worst.
The truth is the truth, a political dissident died under suspicious circumstances and said dissent had some (pretty) unsavory political views. Doesn’t mean Putin is a good guy.
What I find inappropriate is that western media willingly completely ignore Navalnys actual politics in a ploy to get one over on Putin. How about just reporting the facts for once instead of being a blind propaganda machine.
I learnt his politics were shite by watching Western media
Western propaganda (mostly) doesn’t work via straight up lying or omitting the truth, it works by choosing what is amplified. And for the past 10 years the story around Navalny was that he was the liberal opposition leader, and once in power Russia would be a good™️country. I think given what we know of his actual activism and statements it would have been a lateral move at best.
That doesn’t mean political murder is a good thing, it just means (to my best estimation) it’s a power struggle between to highly questionable politicians and one of them won.
Western propaganda (mostly) doesn’t work via straight up lying or omitting the truth, it works by choosing what is amplified.
Since you’re singling western propaganda out, is that somehow different from how non-western propaganda, like Russian or Chinese, works?
Chinees and Russian propaganda needs to resort to direct censoring more often because they are not culturally powerful enough to control the narrative so there are subtle differences.
But my point wasn’t about Russian or Chinese propaganda, it was about the fact that our image of Navalny is a construct of a western propaganda effort to create division in Russia.
but he doesn’t like Putin so he must be a great flawless person who can never be critisiced
I get your point. He is a bad guy, so we should focus on that, rather than the fact that he probably was poisoned for the second time by a political opponent.
We should for sure upvote this article about a video from 17 years ago…
I wasn’t saying him dying was good, but I was saying that the people acting like he is some kind of perfect hero are ignorant and deserve to be called out on it
Guy bad, so we must kill /s
And these bloodthirsty tankies dare call leftists warmongers for not siding with Putler’s Russia in Ukraine…
That’s one thing the bourgeois democracies in the West get right: dissidents shouldn’t be jailed and killed, even though it has happened in the past. If you can’t guarantee that, fuck your whacky “socialism with Chinese caracteristics”, cosplay communist.
Wow you made quite a stretch from what I actually said. Try to understand nuance, politics isn’t always black and white. People who criticise one thing don’t have to support the biggest alternative
Guy bad, so we must kill
Strawman argument. Can’t expect better.
Also, I don’t see any sympathy among liberals for Julian Assange, who’s a jounalist and a legitimate political prisoner.
It’s not a strawman, it’s an obvious exaggeration to mock OP’s positions as being primitive. Stop using debatebro vocabulary you don’t understand. Try having an original thought.
About Julian Assange, despite the guy being kind of a dipshit, he has my sympathies, and I hope he’ll be judged properly. I also hope the US will someday get better whistleblower laws. Because it hurts people doing good and brave work.
Chelsea Manning is out of prison alive and transitioned (wouldn’t have happened in Russia). Snowden was exiled, but didn’t drink polonium tea or spend a day in prison. Both of these guys blatantly broke the law, however bad the law is. It’s not laws that were invented to jail them. They weren’t jailed just for “vibes”.
It’s not laws that were invented to jail them. They weren’t jailed just for “vibes”.
Ignorance is rewarded with upvotes here.
Assange is being tortured for the crime of publishing facts.
https://www.nytco.com/press/an-open-letter-from-editors-and-publishers-publishing-is-not-a-crime/
-Joint open letter by Nyt, The Guardian, Le Monde, Der Spiegel and El País.
Not that it would make the slightest difference to the lib cult.
Yet Navalny’s more nationalist views are troubling. Last year he spoke at the Russky Marsh, where some protesters made Nazi salutes. He has also endorsed a movement called Enough of Feeding the Caucasus, which protests against the theft of state funding but which critics see as xenophobic. And a video that Navalny recorded for Narod several years ago called for arming the population to shoot Chechen bandits.
https://www.theguardian.com/theguardian/2012/jan/15/alexei-navalny-profile-vladimir-putin
Seems like a cool fella. RIP.
A sane country doesn’t jail and assassinate dissidents for being dissidents. That’s what’s being criticized here. But, I’ll admit, this guy’s not exactly someone I’d have dined with. Not exactly a surprise to me, but maybe some people didn’t already know.
A sane country doesn’t jail and assassinate dissidents for being dissidents
Agree 100%
My bad. I forgot that the Universal Declaration of Human Rights has that exception that allows murdering “certified nationalists”…
“Certified nationalist” comes from Al Jazeera. He was a straight up Nazi, and Russia has claimed its goal is denazification after the Nazis killed 40 million of their people in living memory and there are somehow still people there who think Nazi ideas are good, they have no excuse. Who knows the circumstances of how he died, but lets not forget the CIA tried to kill Julian Assange, that’s a confirmed fact about the US empire. The US empire will murder not to protect their people from Nazi thugs but to preserve their tyranny while Russia protects people like Snowden.
Russia justified the invasion of Ukraine with “denazification”. So, I don’t care what Russia thinks about it. It’s probably 60% bullshit and 40% propaganda.
And what is that whataboutism about the US and Assange? I’m not even from the USA, in case you thought that…
And even more whataboutism about Snowden?
Must be hard for you to just write something about the death of Nawalny without focussing 90% of the text on the Vietnam war, 9/11 and the moon landing…
It’s hardly a whataboutism if I’m simply pointing out the selective outrage that give people a skewed and one-sided view of reality. I wouldn’t have to bring up Assange if people gave him half as much attention, something that could actually help lead to his freedom and do something instead of demonizing happenings you have no control over aside from starting WW3.
Such cynicism. They just let him rot, bullied him with arbitrary resasons to punish him more and the farce of endless legal battles where no one really cared about the law. He was a strong person, but there’s only that amount of pressure and mockery one can endure. I’m sad he died in captivity never to see the change of regime. That being said, he wasn’t a coward, and kept doing what he could right until the end.
RIP Alexey, another russian his country needed but wasn’t ready for.
Pressure and mockery? Pretty sure he died of physical abuse and malnutrition. He didn’t die because Putin made him sad.
From what I’ve read, he has been woken up at irregular hours, has been in a solitary confinement, has been denied contacts to his lawyers – the only persons who he could talk to. That’s from his prison close to Moscow, I don’t know what he endured in Harp. I suspect it was even worse.
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Ya know, not been here that long, but seeing users ive tagged as “russian shill” being shat on in the communities that are not yet overrun by the trolls. Stay strong folks, and push back.
Also, inb4 the explanations given are: “waaahhh, any piece of news that doesnt come from the krem de la kremlin is propamaganda!!!”
Just looked and they’re dancing on his grave over on hexbear. Classy bunch.
A flame has extinguished, i will light a candle
I hope there is eternal hell for people like Putin. Few deserve it like he does.
it’d be so great if someone made putty some polonium tea. he needs to go painfully.
