Poland is a full member of the European Union and NATO…
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What?? The whole reason for this is because the US is too focused on their issues at home and have abdicated their self imposed role as defenders of democracy in Europe. That Poland feels they need to build up their own military to absolutely insane levels and forge deeper defense alliances within Europe is not at all kowtowing to either Putin or America, it’s finally building up the sovereign resources that they and the rest of Europe should have been working on for decades to void the need to bend over and spread it for their preferred superpower.
The issues at home. Is that a former president and most likely nominee of one of the most anti democracy, highly likely to win parties. Literally stated that he expects NATO members to pay tribute. Or not only would he not defend them. He would encourage Russia to attack them. And Americans collectively yawned.
He did not require tribute. He’s saying that the nations that are not meeting their obligations to the treaty… He’d recommend be attacked.
He’s clearly unhinged, but the US is not demanding to be paid here. He’s saying the countries should be more invested in their own military readiness.
It’s Article 3 of the NATO agreement and Trump’s statements are (unusually) clear on this.
He’s no diplomatic or strategist. He’s alienating allies. But we don’t need to strawman him in order to say he’s daft.
It’s basic mob speak. ”nice defense pact you got there. Be a shame if anything happened to it" I guarantee if they privately slipped him a fraction of the unmet obligation. He’d suddenly stop caring. Either way though. What he’s doing is not how things work, or were ever intended to. And there’s no reason anyone would behave the way he is. Without hope for coerced quid pro quo.
He’s 100% gunning for tribute. The grift is all he knows. It’s not a strawman.
Isn’t he already bought and komrpomised by Russia?
I suppose he could always double dip, not sure how happy Putin would be.
Wdit: I’ll standby this point: if that’s your opinion, then it sounds feasible. It is not fact and I’d prefer we not create our own facts. It was stated as fact, not opinion.
It’s very likely. Though I don’t think Putin really needed to with him. I think all he had to do was offer him some money and Trump would eagerly play along. Money and his ego are his only morals. If you play to either one of those. You can puppeteer him all day long.
What I said was no more opinion than what you said. Which is fair. Though I would point out that this is very highly backed by evidence and facts. But again, as with all things. Until such time as we get him in captivity of some sort where he can be fully evaluated. Yes. All of this is largely opinion, observation and speculation either way.
Poland would currently curbstomp Russia before the rest of NATO could get their boots on.
In 5-8 years, yeah. Now, not so much. They have a ton of gear on order but at the moment their materiel is mostly old Russian gear and a handful of F-16s.
I thought Poland was a mostly nato military now? Are they really that far behind still?
War in Ukraine showed it’s complicated. They may have equipment but how it’s serviced? How competent the command is? From what I know Poland doesn’t have any navy (as in they don’t have any modern unit) but Ukraine also doesn’t have it and is still controlling the Black Sea. They do have Patriots and F-16 so way better than what Ukraine had and Russia never really got air superiority in Ukraine. I would expect them to have good enough artillery and ammo stockpiles to stop any ground troops, same as Ukraine did. My guess is that if they are properly prepared the would easily defend themselves.
They ordered an obscene amount of US and Korean equipment but deliveries only start in 2026 or so. there’s a good breakdown here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modernization_of_the_Polish_Armed_Forces
Maybe Poland should stop blockading Ukrainian shipments at the border.
the current president is andrzej duda. i don’t want to alarm you but poland is already being governed by a tyrant…
What? 🤣 I can imagine it is not your favourite politician and it is not mine too, but saying he is a tyrant is a massive overstatement. 🤣
Or that he’s governing anything.
If Germany invaded to set things right that would suck, but it would be amusingly ironic
This is the best summary I could come up with:
As all Poles know, the Battle of Warsaw, 104 years ago this August, ended in Marshal Józef Piłsudski’s famous victory over the invading Red Army, which secured their country’s independence.
Warsaw’s basic strategy is twofold: convince Vladimir Putin, Russia’s predatory president, that further aggression along Nato’s eastern flank, including against Finland, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania, will not prosper; and persuade west European partners that they, too, must urgently up their game.
If unsuccessful in these aims, Poland’s impressive affirmation of confident nationhood in the post-cold war period, and the economic “miracle” it has experienced since joining Nato in 1999 and the EU in 2004, will be at risk.
In meetings last week, he and the leaders of France and Germany revived the so-called Weimar Triangle, a political, defence and security cooperation platform with pan-European applications.
The Polish drive for unity and greater integration comes amid deepening concern among European Nato members about US disengagement, should Donald Trump be re-elected president.
Trump in the White House from January 2025 could deliver a lethal 21st-century stab in the back to Ukraine, shatter the transatlantic alliance, and provide his pal Putin with epic, historic revenge for the 1991 Soviet implosion he blames on the west.
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