I am one hundred percent okay with not having people migrate so soon. I’ve been enjoying the good vibes here!
And lemmy.world’s c/atheism isn’t as big of a “religious people bad reee” circlejerk as r/atheism, it seems a lot more nuanced in its criticisms of religion and mostly takes the “love the non-forceful believer, hate the belief” approach. I really don’t want to see that change, the neckbearded assholes on its original reddit version are a big reason why we’re hated. I also appreciate lemmy.ml and lemmygrad being considered laughingstocks for their tankieness, as opposed to everyone who dares criticize them for that being downvoted to oblivion and screeched at by wealthy 13-year-old Americans who just discovered politics and think they’re communist just because they say “comrade” every 5 seconds, know 2 russian words (both of which are obscenities) and “bravely” blasted the soviet anthem in class and then crying on reddit about how they got bullied for telling that one kid of ukrainian descent about how their great-grandparents were time traveling slave owners who deserved it.
Seriously, I don’t want to convince ANYONE that’s still over there to move over here. The reason discourse here is so good is because people here are either intelligent, principled, motivated, forward-looking, or a combination of the four. We don’t need the dregs. Maybe unpopular opinion, but with trash people we will get trash content. Reddit was trending that way long before the API meltdown, and Lemmy moderation is not ready for that.
I’d say to give it a bit longer before pushing average Redditors to come here. Lemmy is still unstable, and things like the sudden fall of VLemmy or the hacking of Lemmy.world can be enough to get normal users to give up on a new platform.
“Remaining” like it isn’t millions of people, lol
You don’t want most of r/NBA here. Trust.
You boomed them (4x)
What’s the deal with that sub? People keep mentioning it.
They like sports, which are very boring.
I mean, I like some sports and even compete in the most boring sport of all: powerlifting. But people mention that sub like it’s toxic and I’m curious what has made it so.
(Just my personal observation)
Basically during the subreddit lockdowns most of the users there didn’t and still don’t give a fuck about the api changes, which is understandable. The NBA finals were going on at the time, and while that contributed towards their disdain towards shutting the sub down, I personally think even if it was off-season they still would have the same attitude. But none of that actually makes them poor users.
The issue primarily is that the whole fiasco revealed a lot of their true colors. Most of the posters are willing to bootlick and grovel as long as they get what they want; which is a place to shitpost/discuss the NBA. They do not care how trash the official app is and generally think the people complaining are crying nerds that need to touch grass. It’s fair to not care about people complaining about using unofficial apps, but not understanding how the api changes eventually affects them and their precious sub is sad to see. Even worse was when some of them went out of their way to disseminate misleading information everywhere.
You know how Reddit started degrading as more and more “”“normal”“” people started piling in? That’s them basically. They never came to the site early on to grow it, only near its twilight years to inevitably cause its downfall. This place right now is awesome, but once you get a userbase that’s comparable to youtube comments, it gets bad.
I get you. That’s the way /r/gis was too, which was the reason I decided to nuke my Reddit account a month ago. They closed down the sub when the API changes were announced. When they came back online, the mods created a post asking people if they should go dark again. Everyone was pissed about the shutdown. I made a comment supporting going dark again and people piled on me, calling me “fucking stupid” and other things.
I had already been on Lemmy and it reminded me how chill Reddit was back around 2010 and how shitty the average user now was. So I nuked all my posts & comments on the spot and haven’t been back since.
I was subscribed to r/nba and I had the same observation as you. They don’t care about the API changes and complained about not getting their daily NBA fill. Called the mods out, telling them to just resign as there are others willing to take their place.
I would strongly recommend against doing this just now. Lemmy isn’t ready for your average Reddit user yet.
What’ll happen is they’ll create an account, see that it’s still a bit buggy and a bit empty, then stop using it and tell everyone it’s rubbish.
That’s how Teslas got their reputation lol
I love how Tesla recalls still make national headlines. As if other car companies no longer have any.
I mean, okay, but…
Guy in the comments calls out that almost all the recalls are simply software updates that happen without anyone even knowing about them.
I have no doubts that recalls can and will happen with any new automaker but if it’s mostly software updates and they’re on top of them… better than not fixing them at all.
The website analyzed recall campaign data from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration from the last 10 model years and used that data to calculate the number of projected recalls over an expected 30-year lifespan of the cars. Does that mean it considers OTAs (Over The Air updates) as recalls? It does if NHTSA calls it a recall.
Seems highly speculative. But in any case, I’d be more than happy to admit that Tesla models end up getting more recalls than the industry average, if true. My point about Tesla recall sensationalism still stands though!
Or one catches fire and makes national news, vs all the other cars that caught fire in the same timeframe that go unreported because it’s not the new thing.
Other car companies aren’t hyping up their cars as the greatest thing since sliced bread and sending out half baked, unreliable features. For other car manufacturers a recall is mundane, there’s been thousands recalls for decades before, there’ll be plenty mote recalls for as long as we drive cars. Hell, Volkswagen made national headlines when people found out they were cheating on emissions tests.
As for Tesla, we’ve been on the cusp of autonomous self driving cars for like a decade and a half, always next year, it’s almost done, I swear. And our hyped up bulletproof N64 looking truck broke on stage, and our Autopilot (which doesn’t actually work how most people imagine how an autopilot works) is totally fine as long as you’re closely monitoring it. It doesn’t surprise me that regulating bodies are exercising more scrutiny on Tesla than the manufacturers that have been around for a century.
Other car companies aren’t hyping up their cars as the greatest thing since sliced bread and sending out half baked, unreliable features.
You joking? Not to defend Tesla for overhyping their products, but there is a long history of car companies doing exactly this.
For other car manufacturers a recall is mundane, there’s been thousands recalls for decades before, there’ll be plenty mote recalls for as long as we drive cars.
Mundane Tesla recalls that still made national headlines:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-05-12/tesla-recalls-1-1-million-cars-in-china-over-braking-defect
(Literally just an update to give more regen braking options.)
https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/04/business/tesla-recall-model-y-bolts/index.html
(Loose bolts, very common for most car brands.)
https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/tesla-recalls-422-us-vehicles-over-suspension-part-2023-04-07/
(Another minor recall on a very small number of vehicles.)
Plus many others.No defense for FSD; that’s a fair criticism. Autopilot is commonly cited as one of the better parts of Tesla vehicles though – often better than similar offerings from competing companies.
I feel like the issues that were being reported can’t be said to be limited to things hobbyists could tolerate…pretty sure one guy showed the steering wheel come off…
But Elon, and Tesla, are rubbish.
Elon is an asshat, but Tesla, as a car company, I wouldn’t call rubbish. Their cars have pros and cons, like any other, and one must admit that they have done quite a lot to move the industry towards electrification.
Elon in engineering is good but he is shit at socialising/ethics
Elon doesn’t engineer anything.
he did but doesn’t
They’re cars like any other. Some problems and some good shit. At the end of the day they built a car with a reliable powertrain and made it perform well and they still are the most efficient with range. You can see the thought they put into making it good at being an electric car. They also understand the need of a reliable charging network.
On the flip side they have poor build quality are not very reliable overall. Their reliance on touch screen is a matter of preference. I think they go overboard with it and would prefer more hard control, but atleast the software is intuitive and responsive.
I just wanted to write something similar. Still need time for updates and migration.
We will get there brothers!
This looks like a Chick Tract, a wild religious cartoon series that I learned about this year. Crazy shit.
I used to read those as a little kid decades ago because ‘cartoons’ (which is exactly why they make them) but even then I knew that dude was off his rocker.
Funnily enough, today’s episode of the podcast 99% Invisible was about Chick Tracts. It hit my feed about two hours after I posted about it. It has to be a sign!
Lemmy is not ready for a full influx. The (fairly minor) influx recently almost brought several instances to their knees. The technology needs to have the kinks worked out of it. Most of us here are accepting of its current flaws, and want to work to improve it. The average redditer won’t be.
On top of that, the community needs to stabilise and grow slowly for now. It’s like wine. If you drink 100 bottles in a week, it will likely kill you. The same amount over a year and it’s fine. It takes time to filter out the toxicity from new redditers, and integrate them. As we grow, we will be able to handle more, but not right now. I still remember the influx from digg to Reddit. The fundamental feel of it never quite recovered. Lemmy has that feel currently, we want it to stay as best we can.
I think one of the major issues is how poorly we’re doing at directing people to individual instances.
Lemmy works fine if we have a bunch of good / stable instances created for a variety of different topics and users spread out. All the kinks and things do need to be worked out, but at the same time there needs to be a better way of load-balancing people to different instances. Either that or the entire backend needs to be re-written to allow better load-balancing. I can’t imagine lemmy.world can survive another major influx of users.
We’re just a small small portion of the reddit userbase. Lemmy will explode if there’s ever a mass migration.
This is a good point. As a 16 year Reddit user, the digg migration was really the beginning of the long end. Going slow is indeed the best way. And honestly, being big is not even necessarily a good thing for this type of community.
As 15+ yr old reddit user, can’t agree more. The digg migration was the best and worst thing to happen to reddit imo. It really boosted communities yes however it also significantly lowered the content quality.
A counterpoint to the idea that the clunkiness that keeps away the masses should be Threads. A couple of days in and they are full with hate and bullshit because they had millions right away. I know the format is different from here, but I think the concept still applies.
Slow steady growth of people who have to think critically to really use the platform is better than explosive growth from every ignoramus signing up to spew drivel. At least that’s my perception of it all.
They’re full of hate and bullshit because it’s just the entire American populace who uses Instagram. I’m unfortunately one of these people who reads Instagram comments and they were always full of terrible people saying objectively shitty things.
Slow and steady is definitely best. New lemmings can learn the new (and hopefully better) netiquette, then help spread it to the next wave.
The other option is what happened to threads. Loudest wins, and the negative Right are VERY loud.
Yup. This place is currently fine for people who can stomach the quirks and missing features and you don’t want them to come, feel overwhelmed about how it isn’t truly like reddit yet and then leave and not consider coming back
Uhhh, I don’t think I want them here. Just wish there were more niche communities here
Exactly – more users are (most of the time) a bad idea. Let’s keep it a niche.
A slow, steady transfer would be best. We get the communities, without losing the improved netiquette.
But I don’t want the remaining redditors. :(
Can we just poach the remaining good ones?
I.e. the authors, the quality OC creators, and the people from niche hobby subreddits.
There are plenty of Redditors who should switch but just haven’t yet because 3rd party apps still kinda work. Then again I also agree Lemmy doesn’t need the average big sub enjoying Redditor just yet.
Yeah… What’s that about? How come they still work?
